Pirate mode: Harassment vs "Red is Dead" issue

[Mjolnir]

I kind of think that was his point. Even a top geared Vega pilot is going to have a tough time defeating a top geared Antares pilot. Its the nature of the beast. A point that was brought up, about correct system tech to complete missions. Why not have something like that carry over into PvP in a system. Even in CQ you need to use system tech for that system.

A lot of games have level limitations for regular PvP so the "big boys" can't grief the lower level players. I think a fair balance here would be +/- 1 system tech to the system to least give all players a fighting chance. What may be fun for some is not fun for others.

As time goes on, I can see this becoming a bigger issue as more players get to higher systems, and as more people do try out this game, as it stands now, this can quickly turn into how U O was at one point. Even though you have to go red to PvP, new players who really want to do the "red" accomplishments will have a very difficult if not near impossible chance of doing so when high level players are camping Vega to pod low tech players. Which in turn will make new players leave, and by word of mouth, will keep many new possible players wanting to even try the game.

I know I havent been here from the start, and from what I have read, things have been going downhill, but I enjoy this game. I have even gone red myself, just so I can go after another red guy who kept following me around just to ninja cryo and bps from me.

I'm sure Devs won't confirm or deny this, because they probably like the drama, but I don't think the intent of PvP was for level 75 players to sit around and blast any level 10 they come across in Vega that is red.

Just my 2 cents.. Flame on..

 

[RazorBladeKiss]

In my opinion, regulation of Pirate Mode is simply a step away from removing it completely. Yes, it's horrible to go pod vega players in a sol or drac ship, and I'm against it, but I don't reach this point where I have to suggest a whole change in the system. Before I played this game, I used to play Darkorbit. That game, unlike this one, doesn't have the chance of turning into "red"; you are simply always red no matter where you go. If you are a small ship, and an enemy big ship gets a lock on you, bad things happen to you. The difference is that no one complained if you did so. Why? People accepted the fact that it was normal, and that flying around had it's risks. The same applies to Pirate Mode, but with a slight difference: you have the free will of pushing the button. If you are red, expect to suffer consequences from it. Accept it as part of the game and just keep playing the game. However, most of the people in my opinion that complain in chat when they are podded are just simply trying to get attention; and it's sad to see that we focus more to bring a change in a game than a change in real life although that's not the real point of the discussion.

The purpose of playing PG is to have fun. Yes, podding is not fun and I agree with it, but podding others is fun. Not to be mean, but some people are way to dramatic when they are podded. It's not a big deal, it's a mere game and not your real life. The worst part is that, people that complain about being podded all the time are actually people that go podding.

At last, we can't compare this game to things in real life such as sports. Things that you do in real life always has a direct impact on a life, being this yours or others. Things that you do in a game shouldn't have an impact in a real life, although unfortunately people do take it up to that point.

Regards,
RazorBladeKiss

 

[WRAITH1]

as is in if u think about it theres no "safe" pvp for noobs as they can all b jumped by highers while trying to experience the games pvp and tht also in my opinion would b a factor in driving away "fresh meat".

my opinion is tht all should b able to experience the games full content (at least for their lvl) no matter the play style they enjoy , b it lone wolves(clanless) or (clan) sheep b it low lvl noob or bored vetean.
atm theres limitations which bring noone advantages ur forced to clan up to do cqs for example and ur forced to go for max lvl and ships to even consider pvp . most do as i noticed some try to arrange "private" pvp in lower sys ships but as i said those "arrangements" as theres no software barrier can b squashes by a passing by foul character /bored higher sys ship pilot.
(of course u can b also b jumped while engaged in pvp in max lvl ships but u wont b squashed like flies and u may offer the attacker a surprise if ya stop ur pvp and fight bk together for interrupting)

 

[Voidfire]

Just make it that if you pod someone that's 1 system tech lower than you then you get no bounty, and if its over 2 system difference then you lose some bounty.

1 system difference tech pod= No bounty
+2 system difference tech pod= Lose bounty

 

[WRAITH1]

Just make it that if you pod someone that's 1 system tech lower than you then you get no bounty, and if its over 2 system difference then you lose some bounty.

1 system difference tech pod= No bounty
+2 system difference tech pod= Lose bounty

lol i doubt anyone shooting lower sys players care about bounties, in most cases they do it cause they feel better being mean to an inferior player (or more simple: cause they can) or maybe a few exceptions for those silly pvp acievements.

 

[The Rage]

pvp is simple no rules, ALL other games i play like WoW and EvE have no pvp limit and its not done them any harm has it, with all this stupid moaning on and on about this and that being unfair is giving fuel for every cat and his dog to moan all the time when podded even when its in the same system ship and tech. Simple thing is you have a choice weather or not to turn pvp on you also know the risks when you turn pvp on. Stop with all these stupid rules cos your ringing the life out of this game. The only reason on this game to get a higher ranked ship was to kill things players/mantis easyer now you cant grind in a lower lvl system with higher ranked tech cos your cryo rate is dropped(as if it wasnt hard enough to get cryo as it is) you cant help lower ranked players with story missions in higher ranked tech anymore and soon with all this moaning you wont even be able to go to a lower system in higher ranked tech at all. All the fun things in this game are being taken away for 1 simple fact IT IS TO LOOK AFTER THE NEW MONEY lets keep them all safe and warm and snuggle them up so we get there cash. Splitscreen if you want this game is grow then get rid of all the stupid rules you now have. all us older players never had any of the rules and restrictions we have in the game today and we are still playing so it goes to show they are not needed. The main reason players are leaving it cos of bordom which with all the stupid rules now in play i cant blame them

 

[Defcon]

TheRage,

It might be an idea to post a new topic on the 'CoC' / rules in general.

This was strictly to discus Red=Dead issue. And some idea's popped up from players who agree it would be good to seperate tech levels by making it impossibel to shoot lower tech.

But, in general we can conclude that players like being able to 1 shot pod lower tech. And they get back up from Splitscreen.

Although, Splitscreen wants us to follow a code of conduct..... And we see in practice how that works.
Hilarious. I shoot anything i like Vega to Draconis. Well, it does not contribute to a friendly environment, i can tell u that. But is pretty amusing.



greetz Defcon

 

[WRAITH1]

lol u cant talk about CoC when many of the players nowadays just learned to say "dada".lol
i mean gimme a break wht u expect with no age limit as i know.
how can u talk about mature logic to a kid. u cant even blame a kid for acting like a kid its just silly.
no wonder so many topics get texted to death.
they should maybe experiment with age limit servers or such no idea but as is add to the difference in character the difference in age and ..... efect is normal.

(even some time before some kid was asking in public chat how his "mommy" could buy him gold with credit card. then after me i and another gave some info got nasty in private chat.; and im sure all have enough such examples nowadays)
i mean im ok cause im the geezer intruding in a silly kids game but then i dont see it logic talk about "griefing" etc when some dont even know wht it means and cant know cause of their age imo, nvm care about rules etc.

 

[Ratman]

HI All

I havent read every post here but I have read the majority so appologies if I rehash something.

Astraeus's post on page 7 is spot on.

If you doing story missions in red (for achievements) and get podded , generally a 'gf mate - Im doing missions could you please let me complete this mission in red?' would most likely get you a "oops sorry .. sure no problem' response. The problem comes in when people fly off the handle. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT JERKS!!!

I firmly believe in the red = dead philosophy. It is intended to be your choice if you want to pvp or not. It is intended to make the GAME (yip it is a game) more enjoyable for people who do not want to fight other players constantly.

Noob podding - bleh ...why do it people? do you really need to pod people that dont have a chance? are your pilotting skills so bad you cant win otherwise?

Jumping people harving / low health - thats a low blow....enough said

Stalking players - well sometime they deserve it and I have had plenty of fun chasing people all over the star systems (waves to Shadow Stryker). I specifically mention Shadow Stryker because no matter how often it happens I do not believe he has ever complained about it and suspect he actually enjoys it ... probly because he knows he deserved it (if im wrong appologies Shadow).

Once you are podded you again have the choice to go red or not.... so unless it a mission you trying to do in red stay white, go do something else, or DONT COMPLAIN!!!!

One point I think might improve the game - lower the loss of cryonite if podded by someone in pm, or make it possible for the podder to get some cryonite. Maybe a system that the amount is related to player levels (like the old war score?) something like if they same level or higher 100%, 1 level lower 80 %, 2 lvl 50%, 3 lvls 25, 4 lvls and more nothing.....
HOWEVER
I also see the problem with this idea - now we have a way to give our friend cryo ...but maybe all is not lost.....we have history so a simple ( automated?) query (if stats are stored in a database) could be initiated warning / stopping this behaviour.

Anyway im rambling now

Cheers

RAT

 

[Defcon]

Great, in general u say it is good as it is.

Well since i don't care what i shoot at all anymore life gotten easier. Most of the times it's just red name > fire > then see what happens. Most of the times it's a one or 2 shot pod.
On the other hand, i don't hesitate to fire on a Parsec either.

Great fun.

Thx Defcon

 

[Ghost division Kane]

I don't know who said it first, but that idea about "reputation" sounds very good to me. I might add that within that structure you could implement some rewards, but only for good reputation players, because there will be some players who will want to have bad reputation to scare others. This way they would be out of competition for good reputation players, who can participate special events or make entry in some lottery for special prize ship and so on. Not a bad idea at all.
About Red is Dead, well, without it, it is no more pirate game. In New Age, pirates would only attack some ship if it is low level because number of their causalities in fight will be low. I haven't go PM until I came into Gemini, because I didn't want to be killed by some big ship. But when in Gemini, everybody have a chance. No one can complain. PM is here for thrill and excitement of being chased, not for harassment at all. I remember one guy told me that he will destroy me over and over again, I just ignored him, and he was gone. Well, enough from me. Bye.

 

[Maniac66]

I have a suggestion on this Red=Dead issue, why can't the programmers allow anyone to go to red, but once you have been shot, thats the end of it for the week. You are only able to turn red again after the Monday reset. That way, you can only be podded once a week, and only the good players will still be red and win a prize of some sort....END OF STORY!!! End of the harrassment story...lol.


Maniac66

 

[spikefin]

I have a suggestion on this Red=Dead issue, why can't the programmers allow anyone to go to red, but once you have been shot, thats the end of it for the week. You are only able to turn red again after the Monday reset. That way, you can only be podded once a week, and only the good players will still be red and win a prize of some sort....END OF STORY!!! End of the harrassment story...lol.


Maniac66

Kinda new, so keep the gas turned down with the flames please

I don't understand the issue, i don't have any issues, i don't go red... I have been red once, I was one shotted, i figure ill go red at 75.

Am i missing something? Why don't people just not turn red on when there having an issue? If i turn red on, By default, im assuming i intend to shoot someone, therefore, i anticipate someone is going to shoot me. It happened, I got podded, life went on. This is one of the best PvP control concepts ive seen to be honest, they have given the limitless choice to the player.

Most games simply make area x PvP area y PvE but force you to go into both games, or make server 1 PvP server 2 PvE, giving you very little control.

From a different perspective...

If i see a mantis i kill it (its red) if it spawns beside me, i will kill it again, and ill keep killing it till its no longer in my vicinity.

Is this harassment? I don't think so, the mantis is a threat to me, It is interfering with what im doing.

to summerise

Red is dead, if you don't want to be dead, don't go red.

 

[Astraeus]

I have been following this thread for a while now. As most of you know, going Red has led to alot of Harrassment Issues. I have come to the conclusion that You All, the Pilots have actually for the most part, have found a reasonable way to deal the "Red is Dead" Issue.

There is many good thoughts here from "Veteran" as well as "New (Noob)" Pilots on how to deal with it. This is a Good Thing in my opinion. Unless issues arise that violate the CoC, Keep up the Good you have been doing in this thread

 

[WRAITH1]

lol i dont even understand the logic here how can a "come get me" message (like turning pirate mode on) even create "harassment" (the big word which all like to talk about).
i mean more interesting threads get locked after few posts with messages like the thread is going nowhere lets end it and this one is already a never ending story and still open ?!

 

[Defcon]

on this topic i would like to refer to the recent event on Dante.

Alot of PVP going on, and pretty well balanced. So no high level ships one shot podding some other player. I got in some pretty nasty dogfights with a single player and enjoyed those pvp moments.

Off course, u cannot win or outrun a squad, but that's not a problem. There is no way u can prevent getting overpowered by more players, except making a pod squad urself.

That is the Red side off this game i like. Meeting equal levels and have a real fight, not the one shot pod of a 2 systems lower player.

It gave a good impression of what a PVP mode with certain limitations would look like.

More balanced, same tech level, with a fair chance for lower levels.

That was a positive point in the event on a pvp planet.

Thx

 

[LordWilly]

For me, Red is Dead is part of the game. You can go through the ENTIRE game Vega-Draconis without ever turning PM on. It is an option, no-one can make you turn it on, its your choice to turn Pirate Mode on. I see no harassment in podding someone smart enough to keep turning pm on. the Xp gain isnt enough to cause a major difference. Im not a noob podder i could care less. but i think its kinda stupid to whine and cry about something that you caused and something you dont have to endure. If you wanna run missions without having a mizar pilot pod you... LEAVE YOUR PM OFF.
Im done ranting now.
xlordwilly

 

[WRAITH1]

You can go through the ENTIRE game Vega-Draconis without ever turning PM on.

just a remark (no need reply on it) here do u not consider aceivements part of the game? if so ur staement could b faulty.

 

[Adrana]

You can go through the ENTIRE game Vega-Draconis without ever turning PM on.

just a remark (no need reply on it) here do u not consider aceivements part of the game? if so ur staement could b faulty.

Not everyone is 100% into the achievements, as many knows already that is still in Beta vs.
It is only part of the game, if you find it important to fulfill all achievements yourself.
Achievements are not requested to be done in any part of this game.
The rest it is personal for every and each player if they care or not about it.

 

[WRAITH1]

@Adrana
as a professional "hairsplitter" i just noticed the word "ENTIRE" (accentuated even). entire for me means 100% so i thought he missed something and mentioned it.(no harm intended)
i doubt the other definition of "entire" fits into this context.lol but im open to enlightenment.