Pirate mode: Harassment vs "Red is Dead" issue

[HardWick]

Okay, 1st, I know this is a "suggestion". I ask that this be left here for 48hours so people might comment on it before moving it to the suggestion area where it'll gather dust.

There's an issue with PM, no matter what side of the argument you're on.

Personally, I believe that Red=Dead, no matter your ship tech, level, system or anything else. You know the risks when you click on the PM icon. Or by now you should. But generally, I save that mentality for a select few pilots/clans and don't pod lower players. Some people, however, will pod anything that's red. Frankly, I think it's not right to be that big of a jerk. Some people (myself included) deserve it, others (new players) don't. Generally, I expect to be podded by some clans if they see me red. I accept that. It's part of the game.

Some people have a major issue though and expect to be left alone when they're red even when flying near rival clans.

So here is my suggestion:
If you're red, you're restricted to system tech like a CQ.
Allow me to explain:
Vega tech = red in all higher systems.
Antares tech = red in all higher systems, phrohibited in Vega.
Gemini tech = red in all higher systems, prohibited in Vega & Antares.
Mizar tech = red in all higher systems, prohibited in Vega, Antares & Gemini.
Sol tech = red in Sol and Drac only.
Drac tech = red in Drac only.

You may travel to other systems red but cannot land until you change to the appropriate system tech. Much like Mission/CQ/Tourney/Invasion event limits on tech. You can go white, but changing to PM will not be allowed planet side. You must first orbit, then change to system tech to land again.

This will prevent people from flying into lower systems to pod lower ranked players. This will also prevent harassment. You wanna PvP, jump into a system-tech ship and have at it. Otherwise you don't get to land.

At the same time, this will allow someone new to the system who doesn't yet have the system ship to still gain the xp boost by staying red (like in drac where ships are unlocked at lv70, forcing sol ship usage).

So there's my suggestion. I think it would solve a lot of issues, a lot of the constant claims of harassment and free up the GM's to deal with larger issues.

Adrana(sp?), PLEASE, I beg you, leave this in the general section for 48hours please. This is where players most often visit and this should be seen by all clans/players and considered strongly.

 

[Astraeus]

I like this Idea coming from a Pilot however see below:

Draconis pilots have missions in vega - missions what they will need to pass with sol or drac ships

 

[datajam]

Hmmmm . . .

This issue has been beat to death for at least two years. How about we simply play the game as intended, Red = Dead! And, quit squabbling about it.

datajam/WRichards

 

[ON_ur_SYX]

I love this idea. I also have an idea for a solution for Astraeus's comment re- the missions from a higher system that take us to a lower system...

Make it possible to land, but not possible to shoot anyone in lower tech. That way, we can still do a mission from a higher system and still not be able to pod a lower system ship

 

[HardWick]

Hmmmm . . .

This issue has been beat to death for at least two years. How about we simply play the game as intended, Red = Dead! And, quit squabbling about it.

datajam/WRichards

You are a worthy opponent m8. And wise too. I frankly couldn't agree with you more.
Alas, there seems to be a very large number of other pilots who think that no one can shoot them when they're red without it being harassment and other such childish nonsense. To me, Red=Dead. Seems simple enough. But we seem to be among the minority in that thought process amigo.

If nothing else, the proposal will serve to eliminate much of the drama. I dislike it when the PvP's turn into an episode of Jersey Shore without the intelligent conversation....

As for what Syx posted, perhaps that could be a simple coding change: Generally speaking, one needn't worry about being attacked by a Vega storm while flying a Gemini, Mizar, Sol or Drac ship ^^ and just inhibit offensive weapons against player ships like it does for allies/buddies. Yeah, the noobs might shoot at you, but common, it'll just tickle a little.....

 

[Defcon]

I like this Idea coming from a Pilot however see below:

Draconis pilots have missions in vega - missions what they will need to pass with sol or drac ships

Well then explain to me how it is possible to prevent me from doing missions in the wrong tech. That is a similar script.

Or for example the script that makes a player white so 'non target' to all other players except mantis.

It wouldn;t be that hard to combine those and make it impossible for reds to shoot the lower system tech.

And you are also perfectly capable of iliminating the boosters from PVP. Boosters don;t work when fighting players.

When we land on a cq planet we are automatically red. And white again when we orbit.

Well there is your problem solved. You cannot land red in Sol ship on Gemini. And as soon as u do a Story mission ur not red anymore. when it is done u turn back red.

Or if u want to stick to people being able to do missions in PM. When you are red in mission and bin it while u are on for example a vega planet in your gemini ship, automattically orbit.

For the white missions it is no problem to begin with. Because u allready have to do them in the right tech. So doesn;t matter white or red. So you are in the right tech on the right planet anyway.

Combine things you allready done.

I don;t see the unsolvable problem here. But i do see a lot of annoying behaviour get rid off by some programming.

Thx.

Defcon.

 

[Avenged]

I have to agree that the amount of people who complain about getting podded in public chat is getting annoying.

You have a choice to click the button or not. Yes you do need to be in pirate mode for some achievements but no one said it was meant to be easy to get the achievements.

Shooting someone who is red is not harassment. If you don't want to be shot don't push the button!

You can not own a harvester field. If you don't want to share go somewhere else!

 

[pbhuh]

Red is Dead was a nice thingy but it's just no fun, come on,

it's just sick that draconis pilots go to vega to kill some low ranks.

Altought I had a differant experience with it, I was a sol storm (r60) on hive, you could say that it's not supposed to be there, but if tech from there is r65 then a r60 should be able to fly on hive, but then a r70 comes as you might have accidently clicked on PM and 3 shots you...

thats no fun, thats not even a challenge and the one that killed you even laughs at you, that you lost 1K Cry etc. and have to fly back again....

that comes more to the point of harassment...

 

[Clovious]

I can see this argument from both sides, being a victim of noob hunters on more than one occasion. However, I was red, so it was my fault, it is all part of the game. Just the crappy comments, and taunting afterwards are a bit annoying . If I am in red I know there is a target on my back waiting for a rival clan member or lone pvp freak that is willing to take a pop at me. I don't think it is really "well played" when I am in an Antares Storm and a Sol Sniper picks me off a mile and a half away in one shot. I personally don't agree with those tactics, but for others it seems to be fine. If I don't wanna get a Orbital strike stuffed down my throat, I shouldn't be in red. In short, if you don't wanna get shot at, don't click the pm mode button. If you are looking for pvp and reds, look for someone that is closer to your rank ship. With one, or two shot kills all you are doing is proving that you can take out a lower system ship with no problem.

 

[Heriiwax]

No I beg you please dont!
The last thing this game needs is more restrictions. If you're red and with bounty you get the extra XP. But you also know the risk of being shot down.

There are even incidents about PvP's on LZ's that have got people in trouble. It says clearly in the CoC 1.8 That we must not interfere with the game play and that is the reason people have got into trouble. As Pirate Mode is one of the major parts of this game and you are not forced to go red at ANY time, i cant see the problem.

And for your information, I am not a "noobpodder". But I just dont want this game to fall as all the others.
The Devs created this amazing game, thats why i am still playing it, and certain parts of the non-restricted PM are sometimes causing problems (even though PM is OPTIONAL). But as said i have seen the same kind of resrictions Kill the spirit of other games.

As mentioned, I am not one of those Noobkillers, I am the one hunting them down. I agree with pbhuh in: "It's just sick that Draconis players go to vega to kill some low ranks."

And please those ideas of not letting a red drac players land in vega, THAT is sick. I don't know how you play the game but i tend to roam Freely between drac and vega and I enjoy it. What if you by "accident" press your PM in draconis...Ooops: Total Lockdown from all the other sytems...

Heriiwax - The game will never ask you to turn your PM on, never...

 

[ridoi]

this can't land with higher system tech on low system tech, was on before, but got removed, btw I think PM is your own ris,k no matter what to do, if you wanna risk it do it, I started many users testing if high lvl players will pod me, mostly lvl +20-40 did, you might blame the high lvl player, but you should not. This is Pirate Galaxy, as I tell some ppl. It should not be toons of rules either in this game, leave it as it is.

 

[pbhuh]

No I beg you please dont!
The last thing this game needs is more restrictions. If you're red and with bounty you get the extra XP. But you also know the risk of being shot down.

There are even incidents about PvP's on LZ's that have got people in trouble. It says clearly in the CoC 1.8 That we must not interfere with the game play and that is the reason people have got into trouble. As Pirate Mode is one of the major parts of this game and you are not forced to go red at ANY time, i cant see the problem.

And for your information, I am not a "noobpodder". But I just dont want this game to fall as all the others.
The Devs created this amazing game, thats why i am still playing it, and certain parts of the non-restricted PM are sometimes causing problems (even though PM is OPTIONAL). But as said i have seen the same kind of resrictions Kill the spirit of other games.

As mentioned, I am not one of those Noobkillers, I am the one hunting them down. I agree with pbhuh in: "It's just sick that Draconis players go to vega to kill some low ranks."

And please those ideas of not letting a red drac players land in vega, THAT is sick. I don't know how you play the game but i tend to roam Freely between drac and vega and I enjoy it. What if you by "accident" press your PM in draconis...Ooops: Total Lockdown from all the other sytems...

Heriiwax - The game will never ask you to turn your PM on, never...

draconis ships can't land in vega, thats not sick, that is just what will protect the lower players against certain noob-killers.

the only thing that is sick is that there are players from draconis go pod some players in vega.

anyway, your accidental PM press only interfers with now, not with the future as you just gonna have to choose a vega ship.

maybe a better restriction is that you can't fight a rank 60 ship in rank 70 ships etc.

 

[ridoi]

I would suggest a protect seal for planet's as Kalabesh, Lyris and Axoim, or to you are level 15, no pilots can shoot you, nor you can turn PM on to then...

 

[datajam]

The VERY LAST thing this game needs is additional restrictions. But, looking from the "noob" point of view . . . what am I talking about!!!!

What game have you ever played where you were protected from being targeted by your enemy, by simply not turning on a switch? Not very many. Most games are pretty simple, you do battle, you win, you lose, you live, you die.

Well PG is different. PG gives you a choice of if you want to fight your fellow players or not. And, creates different environments to do so. If you do not want to PVP on the regular planets with adversarial players do not turn on PM mode. If you do not want to fight against opposing clans, do not attend CQ's. If you do not want to participate in tests of skill against your fellow players, do not attend such events. You see, this is called "Choice" and you get it for free right here in PG.

Now, you will note that you do not have any such choice when it comes to the Mantis. Do you realize that you can be jumped on by 5 to 8 mantis ships that clearly out class your ship and leave you podded in the mere blink of an eye. That do not have the human ability to fail because they might not be paying attention at the moment. Here you have "No Choice" at all, but you do not complain . . .

So, clearly you have a problem not with the game or the actions of you fellow players, but with your inability to make the appropriate decision for yourself. If you climb into a boxing ring with a pair of gloves on and get punched in the head, whose fault is it? Again, you had a choice and the fault is clearly your own.

For almost two years myself and my clanmates have rushed from one end of the map to the other trying to defend the universes from the evil "noob-podders" only to have them turn white or log off before they were apprehended. Myself and my clanmates have rushed to rescue players screaming that they were podded by players that did dirty deeds such as a group rushing a single player leaving him with no ability to stand a fair battle, but why? After almost two years of trying to defend everyone from everyone, I have reached the conclusion . . . TURN IT OFF, let me play my game. And, this is your choice. The outcome of you making the wrong choice is not my fault, not the player that pods you fault, but your fault.

Now, I have probably been podded more than any other player in this game. I know, hard to believe but yes I lose every so often. But, I know when I go "red" that sooner or later someone is coming to get me. I also like to participate in the periodic clan skirmish when we chase or are chased by a group of adversarial players. But see, this is my choice. I made the decision to go "red" knowing full well the end result would be my being podded sooner or later, so when I get podded who's fault is it? Yes, it is my fault.

See, most players look at the game as fun only if they win. PG is a better game than that. With PG you can anticipate remodeling your pod numerous times as you work your way through the systems. And, let me tell you, if your heart doesn't race as much when you get podded as it does when you are doing the podding, you are missing a lot of fun. The fun of being attacked and winning is really cool, but it is also a goal to strive for.

There was a GM or two on the game a while back, may have been on one of the other servers though. They would come down to the lower systems with their big ships and gather groups of players to attack them. Now, I know that the GM's had strong enough ships to "one-shot" every single one of the noobs fighting them, but didn't. I think it funny to fly a small ship up to a bigger ship and start firing on the bigger ship without making a dent in it. When the bigger ship kills me with a monster blaster that lights up my whole screen leaving me amazed that it happened so fast, all I can do is laugh. And, so should you.

There is really no such thing as "noob=podding." This was established close to a year ago when the last serious controversy of this topic happened. The game was designed for combat to happen when two rival red ships crossed one-another's path. And, the game gave you choice of your participation in such. End of story!

If you chose to go "red," eventually you will end up dead. You make the choice. But accept the blame to go with your choice. And, whatever you do . . . DO NOT start whinning about what a dirty rat the guy is that pods you, or cussing and talking bad about his parentage. Doing so demonstrates you an idiot as well as one who makes poor decisions, plus it is usually quite offensive. The game is here to be enjoyed, so let's enjoy it.

A breif note about harrassment. Podding a "red" is not harrassment. Specifically targeting specific individuals repeatedly is. Interfering with another players game play just because you can is also harrassment. If you are not mature enough to play the game without feelings of hatred or rage for another player, please seek help from a licensed mental professional, and let the rest of us enjoy our game.

RED = DEAD! Let's Play!

datajam/WRichards

 

[ON_ur_SYX]

lol well said....
Oh and you got one thing wrong WRichards... you are not the one probably podded most ... I do believe I hold that title hands down lol

 

[InvisibleNinja]

draconis ships can't land in vega, thats not sick, that is just what will protect the lower players against certain noob-killers.

the only thing that is sick is that there are players from draconis go pod some players in vega.

anyway, your accidental PM press only interfers with now, not with the future as you just gonna have to choose a vega ship.

maybe a better restriction is that you can't fight a rank 60 ship in rank 70 ships etc.

I am not going to pay for what some noob-killer did. End of story.

Before entering Pirate Mode, it tells you the risks. If you are not able to handle being podded the do not go red. Pretty basic stuff. Those "noobs" in Vega and every other system chose to take the risk. If some high level player wants to be a little douche, let them. It's part of the game.

"Harassment"? No. There is no harassment anywhere here. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's time to grow up a little and take it like a man, even if you are a woman. It just starts to become a game of these little, whiny, undisciplined children who whine until they get their way. And I for one won't stand for it.

"Harassment is defined as a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons."

 

[ridoi]

I think it's just sad if you complain about the PM mode, it is ok now, u pod someone, you get podded your pm is off, simple ^^?

 

[pbhuh]

draconis ships can't land in vega, thats not sick, that is just what will protect the lower players against certain noob-killers.

the only thing that is sick is that there are players from draconis go pod some players in vega.

anyway, your accidental PM press only interfers with now, not with the future as you just gonna have to choose a vega ship.

maybe a better restriction is that you can't fight a rank 60 ship in rank 70 ships etc.

I am not going to pay for what some noob-killer did. End of story.

Before entering Pirate Mode, it tells you the risks. If you are not able to handle being podded the do not go red. Pretty basic stuff. Those "noobs" in Vega and every other system chose to take the risk. If some high level player wants to be a little douche, let them. It's part of the game.

"Harassment"? No. There is no harassment anywhere here. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's time to grow up a little and take it like a man, even if you are a woman. It just starts to become a game of these little, whiny, undisciplined children who whine until they get their way. And I for one won't stand for it.

"Harassment is defined as a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons."

you only get the message one time, but if you accidently clicked the wrong place then you are auto pm with bounty on you...

 

[Shadow-Stryker]

I agree leave the game the way it is. you have the choice to go red noone is making you go red and the extra exp boost i believe is useless. The time you spent in a pod and having to come back from the hanger and in some cases argueing with the person that podded, you could had made back that extra exp if you were'nt red. Also the people that usually argue about being podded while red are usually r75!!! and usually went red to pod other pod another rival clan, so i really find this ironic.

Even though I may have a rep. among certain clans as a noob podded, I dont go around poding every low rank pilot i see. I only pod certain clans noob that i feeel i have a reason too, it may not be the right reason but theres a reason. Those of you that really know me know this is correct. So, for those true noob podders all i have to say is grow up and think first about who ur podding and if its really worth it.

Other then that i agree with Wrichards, that this game offers you the ability to either participate in pvps or not. Very few game do this and its what drew me to PG in the frist place.

 

[Shadow-Stryker]

draconis ships can't land in vega, thats not sick, that is just what will protect the lower players against certain noob-killers.

the only thing that is sick is that there are players from draconis go pod some players in vega.

anyway, your accidental PM press only interfers with now, not with the future as you just gonna have to choose a vega ship.

maybe a better restriction is that you can't fight a rank 60 ship in rank 70 ships etc.

I am not going to pay for what some noob-killer did. End of story.

Before entering Pirate Mode, it tells you the risks. If you are not able to handle being podded the do not go red. Pretty basic stuff. Those "noobs" in Vega and every other system chose to take the risk. If some high level player wants to be a little douche, let them. It's part of the game.

"Harassment"? No. There is no harassment anywhere here. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's time to grow up a little and take it like a man, even if you are a woman. It just starts to become a game of these little, whiny, undisciplined children who whine until they get their way. And I for one won't stand for it.

"Harassment is defined as a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons."

you only get the message one time, but if you accidently clicked the wrong place then you are auto pm with bounty on you...

Well if this keeps happening to you on a regular basics then you have some other issue and you cant really blame the game for that.