Pirate mode: Harassment vs "Red is Dead" issue

[Rademenes]

BeN and Defcon i think the same like you, i only wanted to make 3 different pm modes (it was really only two RED and YELLOW that will be turned to GREEN when u will get poded or on Monday at 12pm like now), and i wanted to leave RED mode to make happy people who thinks that if we avoid to kill low level players it will be bad for game (in my proposition if somebody from Vega meet somebody from Draco and both are in RED pm mode, the Draco will could kill Vega ship, next time Vega player will choose Yellow mode and should be happy)

and my Yellow mode is like restriction when u do missions on planets lower than your equipment...

your solution is good for me, thx for disusion too, and thx for posts that don't agree with me

have a nice day/ evening

 

[Draka]

Rademenes i like you idea but maybe a bit simplefied


green: no can pod you (same as now)

yellow: you can pod or be podded by same or lower tech

red : you can pod or be podded by everyone

and why i like it:


green : you won't be ennoyed by red players for missions

yellow : - new players in game will have same experience in game as we had when only vega was open or antares or ,....
- probably more clanfights will occur between clans with lower ranked members
- high lvl players can still attack lower players when they are in same tech


red : - if you have clanfight you can still bring in all members even when they lower tech (that's why you shouldn't allow yellow players shoot higher ranks they have to go red for that )


about rewards: same as now (nothing) red you go for fun

and adrana kalgan is not a desert ( maybe for gm's i allmost see none online there), but it's a relief you can talk all languages there in chat as it was on askone once, i have allmost everyday a clanfight there with more people in it then last months on askone and i can compare. Kalgan remembers me on old askone

kind regards,

draka askone 75
Redzebra kalgan 73

 

[ON_ur_SYX]

I agree leave the game the way it is. you have the choice to go red noone is making you go red and the extra exp boost i believe is useless. The time you spent in a pod and having to come back from the hanger and in some cases argueing with the person that podded, you could had made back that extra exp if you were'nt red. Also the people that usually argue about being podded while red are usually r75!!! and usually went red to pod other pod another rival clan, so i really find this ironic.

Even though I may have a rep. among certain clans as a noob podded, I dont go around poding every low rank pilot i see. I only pod certain clans noob that i feeel i have a reason too, it may not be the right reason but theres a reason. Those of you that really know me know this is correct. So, for those true noob podders all i have to say is grow up and think first about who ur podding and if its really worth it.

Other then that i agree with Wrichards, that this game offers you the ability to either participate in pvps or not. Very few game do this and its what drew me to PG in the frist place.

thank you shadow.. i couldn't have said that better myself lol ... we love you muahaha

 

[WRAITH1]

eventhough i agree with software restricting pvp in some situations,
i bet if they ever restrict combat by system therel be a new post about being jumped or ganged.
neverending story.......
(i dont even get it cause the profit of pirate mode is almost none.lol)

 

[InvisibleNinja]

(i dont even get it cause the profit of pirate mode is almost none.lol)

Agreed.

There is a very little bonus to having PM on. Why do us noobs turn it on and then whine when they get podded because they want a... what a 2% bonus xp? I mean, come on people.

And the thing that annoys me the most is when little guys like me turn pm on and when they get podded, they turn it back on.. and then whine when they get podded.. Wheres the logic in that? No extra xp and they turn it on anyways.. Seriously.. maybe instead of a pvp restriction we need an IQ restriction to play the game

Like others have said before, the game is named "Pirate" Galaxy.. Not "Restricted" Galaxy.

If you cannot handle being podded then I have some suggestions for you,

a) Quit. (Please Don't)
b) Don't turn PM on. (Duh)
c) Grow a pair already. :arrowl: (Epic win)
d) Level up and get the best tech, then pod them back! (Revenge is best served with lemonade)
e) Cry about it, get over it, repeat. (It's ok.. It's normal)

 

[Rademenes]

people who don't like my proposition or Defcon/Ben and Draka do not have to afraid because those was only propositions and i don't have a might to implement one of them (and i don't want that power - i'm only hobbyist programmer)


if we could implement one of propositions on test server, player could play this for a while and check
i wonder if devs could make this some day for 2 day testing and later rolback all changes on PTR to prevoius state

u can said: 'code your own game man, test it, and leave us in peace' - i wish to do that, belive me!

 

[ridoi]

the bonus is nothign if you got no bounty on yr head

 

[Rademenes]

the bonus is nothign if you got no bounty on yr head

i don't want to write in this topic everytime, but if u will be RED or YELLOW in my proposition u could have bounty on your head, i didn't wrote anything about bounties

 

[Defcon]

The idea is good to split it up in 3 levels.

i just can not understand why people disagree with preventing higher levels pod lower levels with higher tech.

if u want to pod a lower level > get the right ship and play on an even battlefield.

What is this powertrip of having the big ship and bullying the lower tech guys all about.

I seen several people who say no restrictions. Well there are no real restrictions except a restriction on a very uneven fight. Do you want to get in a PM fight with lower levels? That is possible, but get the right tech, simple.

You will see a lot more people in PM if they know they don;t get on shot podded by a 2 systems higher tech ship. Grow up.

If you are so keen on podding, get an equal ship / tech and do it. That is waht Pirate Galaxy is about. Not Bully Galaxy. Like playing god to the lower levels / lower tech guys.

Tonight i got podded by same tech level 3 times i think. A guy called Vyro. Very good pilot. Respect. He even took 2 off us on. yes when fighting mantis but again, it was fun and an equal fight.

That is what i like to see on every planet. More reds, then get the right ship and have fun in a equal fight.
Few days ago we were having pvp's in vega tech on terasa. Al fine till some fool in a drac ship came and popped us all. Let the same guy land in his vega ship, see what happens.

Now the idea of 3 choices > white/ yellow / full Red should satisfie all.

White > i want to just do my thing and not get in fights with players.
Yellow (or whatever color > i will fight same tech level and sharpen my skills
Red > i am very brave and have no problem getting one shot killed by anybody (a collor you won;t see much i bet, because there is nothing to gain. It would be stupiud and pointless because there is no chance that a gemini ship will pod a drac)
Well u will see red on highest techlevel planet. And well all those opposing this idea now, lets see how long they get in red mode instead of yellow. I put my money on 'not at all'.

Maybe someone can explain to me what the big kick is having the possibility to shoot a red lower level, but not doing it because ur so mature and grown up. hey look at me, i can vapourize you, but i am very cool and don;t do it)

Well there is a lot of players behaving like kids that now and then do shoot. For whatever reason.

The whole idea of restricting it is about preventing people to get annoyed because they have no chance at all. They get annoyed they leave the game or get jailed or dissapointed or scared to fly in PM.

It's the thing any normal civilized community will do. Protect the weak by preventing the strong tpo play god and bully the around. In real lif u need riles and enforcement. In this setting you can program it. Fine, do that.

There is not 1 single normal reason to not get this restriction on it. Since all opposers say they 'normally don't shoot lower tech', well then explainto me what you are loosing when it gets programed in? is it the kick of having the possibility to one shot kille some guy? Or the kick of scaring others? I just really don;t understand it. Maybe just fear of getting podded by a lower level guy in the equal tech? Well i am not affraid of that.

I would be happy to take on some guys on same level. Now, when red, i have to fly around in my biggest ship to prevent getting one shot killed by some 'very grown up guy, who normally don;t shoot lower level tech, but for me makes an exception'.

There really is not 1 reason to let this go on as it is. the whole game will benefit from it. More people in PM, more fun. Les harrassement, lees namcalling in chat, less people in jail.

Thx defcon

 

[InvisibleNinja]

There really is not 1 reason to let this go on as it is. the whole game will benefit from it. More people in PM, more fun. Les harrassement, lees namcalling in chat, less people in jail.

Actually Defcon, there are reason(s).
(1) Manipulation. If they change this, people will cause a big ruckus over every little thing until they get their way, meaning: 50 ship's will be given to every player free at level 1 with meth armor, memberships are free, & everybody can ban anyone they don't like... Seriously? Tell me how your going to work that out..
(2) Waste of time and talent. They have many things to work on, such as: New systems, new ships, new story missions, etc. Taking the time to program this is completely ridiculous. There will ALWAYS be "harassment, name calling, & jail". It's part of being a human. War is in our blood. As much as we try to deny it or cover it up with rules, it will leak out eventually. If not over this, over something else. Period.

So the "whole game" will not benefit from this. It will cause more of a racket then is going on now.

So here is a question to those of you pushing this idea of the restriction thing.. There are few people, bright enough, to keep their ships from previous systems and even fewer who have bought back their ships. So my question is.. What do you expect them to do? The rules in front of them say, "Click the skull and you agree to die/kill". Should they just pass by and ignore them? I for one would agree with getting same system ship & tech, but there are no hidden rules that say we have to. There should NOT be any rules for it either. It is their choice to be a douche or stranger walking by. Their decision, Not yours. But yet you insist on making SS control them, since you cannot.What you are suggesting is that you have the right to be red and have no risks of death. It's completely insane.

Clicking the skull means you agree to be podded by ANYONE in ANY ship or tech. There are no excuses, there are no time outs, it's how it is and it's how it will stay.

End of story.

P.S. If you can present your argument in a way you think I could understand. Please feel free to inbox me, I'd be happy to listen to your side of the argument.

 

[WRAITH1]

lol all these discussions miss the fact this game has no "real" pvp (even the beta game had better idea of pvp risking bps and being able turn pm off but still was no real pvp imo)

they should have a pvp enviroment like whole planets for pvp only and planets where players can sign up/enter matches 1v1, XvX, limited(like fixed positions or just blasters etc) or not etc.(theyll prolly say were still in beta.lol)

not this improvisation of pvp which in end efect is:
- pleeesss mister pod me i want my red off (no idea if they fixed it for good now but used to b u wanted look ladders shopping cart or just click to fly forward and ended up pressing pm)
- pleese mister pvp me cause im soo bored (i was bored getting the parsec hoping itll get better)
- pls pvp so i can call my friends and gang u so i can get an illusion of feeling good (and make me write support about "griefing")

etc u get he idea

i retried the other "improvisation " of pvp on colosus also flawed non functional:
- i shouldnt have to make an appointment with a GM or whoever to pvp
- the anonymous pilots is a good idea but flawed many a time u end up giving the "enemy" ur boosts like speed actuator etc cause (s)hes on ur buddy list
- GMs say they watch for rulebreakers like ganging up on 1v1 pvp but cant/dont

 

[Rademenes]

views : 586
replies: 50
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only views: 536

options:

'i like noobs'
5 (me, pb, Ben, Defcon, Draka)

'noobs?, u mean easy bounty, right?'
45 (this number is estimated, a few players could belongs to other groups)

'pvp/pm is not essential part of game to me, leave it as is or cut off it from a game, doesen't matter to me'
536

so it is:
4 (pb said nothing about my idea) against 581

i was the lowest tech player discussed here
it was my idea, so maybe i'm too optimistic and i don't see errors in my idea
i have 3 supporters that tried make my idea more clear (high level supporters, with bigger experience than me, thanks)
i have 581 players against my idea (most of them if not all with bigger experience than me, thanks for this too)

so u win, even if i didn't treat this discussion as battle

SS is company, and should make profit (they r not charity org, adn i think that they have to consult some changes with Gamigo or Aeria first), i didn't think about economy aspect of my idea, but SS has marketing staff and they choose the best option for company (i think that they can make some economic simulations) and choose the best option for them, if they implement my idea or not i will still play PG

so this topic could be closed, because we don't have new ideas in it, we have only one and this discussion started to looks like:
i agree with ...
and i agree with ...

the idea about continuing this discussion via PM is good, but i don't know if we will have time and energy for this

 

[Dakahn]

I haven't read all of the posts before this so i'm sorry if i am re-posting somthing.

I think that the only change needed is to allow players to turn off pirate mode. This should only be possible in orbit though, so that you couldn't run away and turn it off to escape. This allows players to prevent getting "harassed" by allowing them a way out. This also permits people that are only red for story missions to turn white after doing the story missions. Also there should be a penalty for going out of pirate mode, though. Like perhaps losing any bounty amassed in that week. This idea could be refined a lot more, but i think it's a good one to build upon.

 

[Rumrunner]

Killing lower lv ships with Dractech is sick, but 5vs.2 with Dractech is same thing.

In fact each time u turn on PM for an achievemt u become are target for backstabber. They will observe u, stalk u, waiting until u in fight with mantis and then kill u. You have no chance.
Another nice trick is blocking landingzones, u get stunned and shoot down befor u have control over ur ship. Btw, in other games "spawnkilling" is strictly forbidden or weapons generally disabled in landing/spawnzones. But not in PG.
PG is the ideal platform for backstabber and Bullys, ppl who like annoying other ppl. Thats why we see more and more of this guys in the game. They can do unfair things in PG which are forbidden/impossible in most other games.

And sad but true, its good for the business. Most killed ppl go for revenge, they want tune there ship as fast as possible, they buy boosters for it....

I hope Sirius will change some things. In other games the human players are usually divided in 2 or 3 "nations", each nation with an own, safe territory and "Warzones". So each time u can choose to go in a"Warzone" for PvP, or going back in safe zones for grinding. In PG, one time choosed PvP u can only wait until somebody kill u.

 

[xenDecimus]

ok i really dont agree of none of what u wrote not even the suggesttion u made m8
red is death
if u are lower system work ur ownway to a bigger ship or gader other players and have revenge

 

[WRAITH1]

I think that the only change needed is to allow players to turn off pirate mode. This should only be possible in orbit though, so that you couldn't run away and turn it off to escape.

im not against being able turn off pirate mode but i dont see ur logic how can u prevent running away if ur permitted to orbit and turn off pm?!

 

[Rademenes]

I think that the only change needed is to allow players to turn off pirate mode. This should only be possible in orbit though, so that you couldn't run away and turn it off to escape.

im not against being able turn off pirate mode but i dont see ur logic how can u prevent running away if ur permitted to orbit and turn off pm?!

maybe he thinks about something similar like when u fight with mantises, u can not orbit when u fight and u can not orbit in 5 sec (?) after fight - u always get message about it

this thread is like never-ending story ;p

i wonder which thread will be more popular: 'bring back old gold bp system' or this

 

[Gorgon706]

Red is Dead was a nice thingy but it's just no fun, come on,

it's just sick that draconis pilots go to vega to kill some low ranks.

Altought I had a differant experience with it, I was a sol storm (r60) on hive, you could say that it's not supposed to be there, but if tech from there is r65 then a r60 should be able to fly on hive, but then a r70 comes as you might have accidently clicked on PM and 3 shots you...

thats no fun, thats not even a challenge and the one that killed you even laughs at you, that you lost 1K Cry etc. and have to fly back again....

that comes more to the point of harassment...

Pbhuh i must disagree there mate as yes your a sol 60 with draco bps as me and my clan mates see it your a draco ship "hence" the draco tech on your ship so yes it can be "wrong" in some players eyes to use a draco ship with best tech on to kill you but with those draco bps on your technically a draco ship.

also as i would like to add me and my clan mates we generally have "mutated sol ships" come to mars, moon, Earth, and many more planets but what we do since its a draco ship as its the pilots choice to mutate there ship its now a draco so its fine for sol teched ships to do 2v1 on the draco teched ship as the sol ship with draco bps is Alot stronger fire power and 4-5 ddbs alone pod a sol sniper now the funny thing is some players moan when they get podded by these sol ships may i just point out Sol 60 with gaz bps HURTS! to the sol teched sol ship so by means nessacary they get 2-3 sol 60s to take out the mutated ship.

as for the harassment vs "red is dead" i believe that for a draco vs a mizar or sol teched ship is pathetic or even lower system ships
so i think red is dead might be a thing for old players but for me i go change my ship then go kill the red as its more enjoyable.
as for the harassment is now OUT OF HAND! litrally the more players are seeing players moan about getting podded and "your harrassing me" garbage is being shown everywhere i think its daft i get podded on a mission depending what ship there in if for example im on a mizar sm and they come to kill me in a mizar fair egnough but for example sol vs mizar unfair also a sol 60 vs a sol 45 isnt newb podding or harassing as its a sol ship it has sol bps on it generally! so please quit moaning people lets just pod each other and have a good laugh

 

[Defcon]

Actually Defcon, there are reason(s).
(1) Manipulation. If they change this, people will cause a big ruckus over every little thing until they get their way, meaning: 50 ship's will be given to every player free at level 1 with meth armor, memberships are free, & everybody can ban anyone they don't like... Seriously? Tell me how your going to work that out..
(2) Waste of time and talent. They have many things to work on, such as: New systems, new ships, new story missions, etc. Taking the time to program this is completely ridiculous. There will ALWAYS be "harassment, name calling, & jail". It's part of being a human. War is in our blood.


Uhm, are u reading the threath or just saying something? Or what am i missing here?
How can there be a 'big ruckus' when Player A in Ship Tech Mizar is not able to shoot at Player B in Tech
Gemini? Just by programm?
What 'manipulation' are u talkin about?
It's simple : U are in a mizar ship and/or tech > U cannot target a lower ship and/or tech level.

On remark 1 :
Could you explain who is gone complain when this get's implemented?
The guy in the gemini tech? Will he make the 'big ruckus' about not beining able to get podded in 3 shots from the mizar? Or maybe the guy in the mizar ship complaining that he cannot noobkill the Gemi ship?

Well i think there will be a huge deafening silence in chat. No namecalling / No GM's threathening with jail.
No disencouraged players, people enjoying PM more then before.

On remark 2 :
How much talent do u think is needed to adjust a script that is almost 'control C' ready. Now allready you cannot target ships not in PM, or Allies that are in PM. So i think not so mcuh talent is needed to arrange it.

thx Defcon

 

[Draka]

Defcon i only can aggree with you.

And now the rest of the post

"So here is a question to those of you pushing this idea of the restriction thing..
"

What restriction everyone can still pod everyone.

"There are few people, bright enough, to keep their ships from previous systems and even fewer who have bought back their ships. So my question is.. What do you expect them to do? The rules in front of them say, "Click the skull and you agree to die/kill". Should they just pass by and ignore them?"

mmm, the people who don't keep the ships are the first to ask "can you help me for this mission?" and as they don't keep their ships, they probably not helping any lower one. Second remark if you wanna do anything else in the game, you also need you system ships (like pvp, white missions )
Third one don't say this to loud, for SS this is a new resource for people to grind :mrorange: you need you old system ship back if you wanna attack lower lvl's


" I for one would agree with getting same system ship & tech, but there are no hidden rules that say we have to. "
so what's you problem


"There should NOT be any rules for it either. It is their choice to be a douche or stranger walking by. Their decision, Not yours. But yet you insist on making SS control them, since you cannot.What you are suggesting is that you have the right to be red and have no risks of death. It's completely insane."

It will still be their decision what mode they use : red, orange, green. But, and that's why i like this idea more people will go in some kind of pirate mode. If lower ranks go orange ( they can only be pod by lower or same tech ships) they will have the same experience as people who started the game from the beginning.
And i, for me i don't care, been podded many times and i have pod alot ( most of the time i'm red). And for noob killers, they still will overrule most of the same lvl as they have prob the best bp's for a system.

"Clicking the skull means you agree to be podded by ANYONE in ANY ship or tech. There are no excuses, there are no time outs, it's how it is and it's how it will stay."
pirate mode has changed already a few times, this is a living game and how it will evolve only SS knows.


"End of story.

P.S. If you can present your argument in a way you think I could understand. Please feel free to inbox me, I'd be happy to listen to your side of the argument.RED IS DEAD, If you can't handle it then contact the complaint department "

You sounding like a member of SS, which you obviously not are. I prefer this discussion goes on in public so everyone can give some input.