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Hello Community,

After many tests i decided to follow the initiative that Shiyru started in the French forum two years ago. Where he made some calculations of the ships HP in his version of Sirius.

Since that post was created, Tau Ceti and many ships have been released. So it's the time to have an updated list of our beloved ships :D

All ships on the list have been calculated in their Tau Ceti Part 3 version - thermograde armor for ne0n, and Tau Ceti armor for 43 (list will be updated with update releases):

Parsec Ships
Raven Ships
ne0n Ships


Individual Rankings:

Parsec Ships


  1. AnIn-1 Dominador 9.689 HP
  2. HyAn Mutilator Parsec 7.751 HP
  3. AnIn-12 Parsec 6.458 HP
  4. AnIn-10 Terrorizer 6.136 HP
  5. AnIn-T79 Emperor Parsec 6.000 HP
  6. AnIn-S78 Disruptor 5.941 HP
  7. AnIn-3 Constructor 5.813 HP
  8. MST-Y Locust Hybrid 5.781HP
  9. AnIn-H33 Hunter Parsec 5.429 HP

Raven Ships

  1. RDX-10 Blazing Lava 10.000 HP
  2. RDX-09 Black Sate 9.157 HP
  3. RDX-03 Black Granite 8.430 HP
  4. RDX-07 Paragneiss 7.584 HP
  5. RDX-11 Pitchstone 7,470 HP
  6. RDX-09 Chromian Corundum 7.165
  7. RDX-02 Poenari 6.868 HP
  8. RDX-01 Obsidian 6.846 HP
  9. RDX-05 Marlstone 6.167 HP
  10. RDX-04 Onyx Marble 6.117 HP
  11. RDX-06 Veiled Quartz 6.102 HP

ne0n Ships

  1. ne0n-6 Bullfrog 8.854 HP
  2. ne0n-7 Hawkmoth 7.869 HP
  3. ne0n-2 Panther 7.757 HP
  4. ne0n-4 Kodiak 7.644
  5. ne0n-5 Thunderbird 6.830 HP
  6. ne0n-8 Wolfhound 5.980 HP
  7. ne0n-3 Bobcat 4.802 HP
  8. ne0n-1 Humpback 4.775 HP

General Ranking:

  1. RDX-10 Blazing Lava 10.000 HP
  2. AnIn-1 Dominator 9.689 HP
  3. RDX-09 Black Sate 9.157 HP
  4. ne0n-6 Bullfrog 8.854 HP
  5. RDX-03 Black Granite 8.430 HP
  6. ne0n-7 Hawkmoth 7.869 HP
  7. ne0n-2 Panther 7.757 HP
  8. HyAn Mutilator Parsec 7.751 HP
  9. ne0n-4 Kodiak 7.644 HP
  10. RDX-07 Paragneiss 7.584 HP
  11. RDX-11 Pitchstone 7,470 HP
  12. RDX-09 Chromian Corundum 7.165 HP
  13. RDX-02 Poenari 6.868 HP
  14. RDX-01 Obsidian 6.846 HP
  15. ne0n-5 Thunderbird 6.830 HP
  16. AnIn-12 Parsec 6.458 HP
  17. RDX-05 Marlstone 6.167 HP
  18. AnIn-10 Terrorizer 6.136 HP
  19. RDX-04 Onyx Marble 6.117 HP
  20. RDX-06 Veiled Quartz 6.102 HP
  21. AnIn-T79 Emperor Parsec 6.000 HP
  22. ne0n-8 Wolfhound 5.980 HP
  23. AnIn-S78 Disruptor 5.941 HP
  24. AnIn-3 Constructor 5.813 HP
  25. MST-Y Locust Hybrid 5.781 HP
  26. AnIn-H33 Hunter Parsec 5.429 HP
  27. ne0n-3 Bobcat 4.802 HP
  28. ne0n-1 Humpback 4.775 HP

Calculation:

The HP of all ships are calculated based in the ship with most HP in the game, the Blazing lava, we will give it 10.000 HP. By applying a thermoblaster to the ships and doing a cross calculation we can get the HP of all the ships. The formula is:

ShipLife = 10000 x ThermoDamageDominator / ThermoDamageToShipX

In numbers this could translate to: 10000 x 20/25 = 8.000

I hope this was helpful, thanks to everyone who participated in the tests. ;)
 
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As much as i like this update it would be much easier if the Devs would decide to give us an actual HP Bar that shows real numbers what would other calculations much more simple.

The %-Indicators are nice and all but leave to much room for speculations how many HP a ship "really" has and i think at this point still the Devs only know the real numbers of each ship in the game.

They could keep the %-indicators cus they are a part of the HUD but i would like to see an aditional Bar that shows the real numbers (maybe even with lines to show the 25% steps as well)

Here is a small and easy example how such a thing could be implemtend (might not be the best quality but it should be fine enough the link is basicly the same pic just larger)

https://up.picr.de/37897651jw.jpg

From the whole HUD i would only add those lines above the chat (had to lay just something over it for the text) so that not really a change would occur here and we just have this "real" information about the HP instead of those vague %-indicators that not really tell us how much dmg we have taken/dealt to an enemy.
 

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Well game is old,but will be nice have information how many hp armor give,actual hp on ships,ship speed,blaster damage and max critical,items reload and active time,enemy hp,show actual damage deal to enemy,show actual damage what enemy deal to you,hp you attack drone,hp on protector/shield and other items.

Why ppl need all the time test what have what like this game was on beta test ?
+10 years and we dont have basic information on game.

But more funny is that junger project dino storm have this whole information in game.
 

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Thanks for the work Fission (and the guys who served as targets).

But these number are worrying me .. how a bullfrog and a black slate with damage items can have more hps than a granit with only one damage item ( which dps is low)?

How a poenari as the same resistance as an obsidian which has 2x firepower than a shock (or more)?
Why disruptor does not have same hp as obsidian ?

I know you don't have answers , but for me this has NO SENS at all. It's just giving advantage to some ships and force you to abandon the others.

These numbers are not made for having fair pvp ...

I'd like to understand how this balance works.
 

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Hello pilot,

Remember speed is also an important stat :) low HP ships have high speed.

And in many situations this reduction of speed hurts a lot (normally slow ships will take more hits from enemies or dont escape them)

Thanks to the HP that disruptor (for example) haves its able to shoot from long range with SB and dont be caught. A lot of something is not always good, balanced is normally better.

An inmobile rock is not useful ;)
 

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Fission said:
Compare the speed of any of the ships at the top of the list with the hunter ;)
This is relative "hard" nowadays Fis cus some pilots have boosters, some have drones and some have the alloy that gives a little boost as well (even if it´s just 3% it sums up over time).

The only way to "meassure" the speed of each ship is flying it in a straight direction side by side but then again it would require that all pilots have no boosters/alloys active. Acording to my knowledge those boosts should not be active during PvP but i can´t confirm or deny it cus i don´t fly PvP.

I can only repeat myself that things would be much easier to compare if we would get actual stats for the ships/items in the Hangar with actual numbers that give us an summarized overview of the actuall HP, dmg/item, bonus from active Drones/Boosters/Alloy, etc.

I mean PG is all about the "future" but an simple stat overview is way to much technology and advanced for us... no wonder the Mantis/Ancients could beat us so easily lol.
 

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It was already said somewhere in the forums by devs that they tried to give less numbers as possible to simplify and dont make the game overwhelming for new players. Obviously veterans would prefer more stats. But thats like other games where having a big amount of numbers difficult players to understand the mechanics.

About speed boosters or alloy, they dont work on PvP and its pretty easy to measure ships speed aswell.

Still this post was not meant to be a feedback one. I spent some time to get all this numbers, so i would be pleased if you can move any type of feedback topic into the feedback section.

Thank you ;)
 

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Fission said:
Hello Community,

After many tests i decided to follow the initiative that Shiyru started in the French forum two years ago. Where he made some calculations of the ships HP in his version of Sirius.

Since that post was created, Tau Ceti and many ships have been released. So it's the time to have an updated list of our beloved ships :D

All ships on the list have been calculated in their Tau Ceti Part 2 version - thermograde armor for ne0n, and Tau Ceti armor for 43 (list will be updated with update releases):

Parsec Ships
Raven Ships
ne0n Ships


Individual Rankings:

Parsec Ships


  • 1 AnIn-1 Dominador 10.000 HP
    2 HyAn Mutilator Parsec 8.000 HP
    3 AnIn-12 Parsec 6.666 HP
    4 AnIn-T79 Emperor Parsec 6.250 HP
    5 AnIn-10 Terrorizer 6.250 HP
    6 AnIn-3 Constructor & AnIn-S78 Disruptor 6.060 HP
    7 MST-Y Locust Hybrid 5.882 HP
    8 AnIn-H33 Hunter Parsec 5.555 HP

Raven Ships


  • 1 RDX-09 Black Sate 9.523 HP
    2 RDX-03 Black Granite 8.695 HP
    3 RDX-07 Paragneis 8.000 HP
    4 RDX-09 Chromian Corundum 7.407 HP
    5 RDX-02 Poenari & RDX-01 Obsidian 7.142 HP
    6 RDX-06 Veiled Quartz & RDX-05 Marlstone & RDX-04 Onyx Marble 6.250 HP

ne0n Ships


  • 1 ne0n-6 Bullfrog 9.090 HP
    2 ne0n-7 Hawkmoth & ne0n-2 Panther 8.000 HP
    3 ne0n-5 Thunderbird 6.896 HP
    4 ne0n-8 Wolfhound 6.250 HP
    5 ne0n-1 Humpback 5.000 HP
General Ranking:


  • 1 AnIn-1 Dominator 10.000 HP
    2 RDX-09 Black Sate 9.523 HP
    3 ne0n-6 Bullfrog 9.090 HP
    4 RDX-03 Black Granite 8.695 HP
    5 ne0n-7 Hawkmoth & HyAn Mutilator Parsec & ne0n-2 Panther 8.000 HP
    6 RDX-07 Paragneis 8.000 HP
    7 RDX-09 Chromian Corundum 7.407 HP
    8 RDX-02 Poenari & RDX-01 Obsidian 7.142 HP
    9 ne0n-5 Thunderbird 6.896 HP
    10 AnIn-12 Parsec 6.666 HP
    11 AnIn-T79 Emperor Parsec & RDX-06 Veiled Quartz & AnIn-10 Terrorizer & RDX-05 Marlstone & RDX-04 Onyx Marble & ne0n-8 Wolfhound 6.250 HP
    12 AnIn-3 Constructor & AnIn-S78 Disruptor 6.060 HP
    13 MST-Y Locust Hybrid 5.882 HP
    14 AnIn-H33 Hunter Parsec 5.555 HP
    15 ne0n-1 Humpback 5.000 HP

Calculation:

The HP of all ships are calculated based in the ship with most HP in the game, the Dominator, we will give it 10.000 HP. By applying a thermoblaster to the ships and doing a cross calculation we can get the HP of all the ships. The formula is:

ShipLife = 10000 x ThermoDamageDominator / ThermoDamageToShipX

In numbers this could translate to: 10000 x 20/25 = 8.000

I hope this was helpful, thanks to everyone who participated in the tests. ;)
Bizarre how the black slate has the most armour out of the raven ship despite being small and not so chunky as the black granite or paragneiss
 

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Heavy artillery said:
Bizarre how the black slate has the most armour out of the raven ship despite being small and not so chunky as the black granite or paragneiss
Despite it´s look it really is sturdy what is kinda ironic. Let´s hope for the moment that Split not gets the idea to nerf it into ground cus from i have heared and read some ships did lost their status of "beeing good" cus armors and stuff have been changed a lot.

This is one of the main issues if you only get vague informations to make it "more simple" for the playerbase as Fission mentioned.

Fission said:
Still this post was not meant to be a feedback one. I spent some time to get all this numbers, so i would be pleased if you can move any type of feedback topic into the feedback section.

Thank you ;)
Going to work on that Fission will just need a bit time cus the pic from yesterday was just a quickly build one and i didn´t consider all parts in it directly.
 

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Fission said:
Still this post was not meant to be a feedback one. I spent some time to get all this numbers, so i would be pleased if you can move any type of feedback topic into the feedback section.

Thank you ;)
As requested Fission here you have your extra post about that :LOL:
https://forum.pirategalaxy.com/viewtopic.php?p=201723#p201723
 

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Data uploaded to the cloud: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KdYyaa917Hlio1XmmkaGCJQIxOS87XZp4G4GASu3HJ8/edit?usp=sharing
 

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Hello Pilots,

The list has been updated with the last ne0n ships introduced in the TC3 update.

Best Regards
Fission
 

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Got it! (one month late sorry)
Updated on the cloud.
BTW, it seems Shiryu's account was deleted but I managed to find his post:

The old link is not valid after forum's migration.
 
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Hello @HGus ,i am gonna add the ship when i have powers for it, right now my current forum powers don't allow editting previous posts.

In case i do adquire the powers, i will also try to work in other posts like the one regarding general achievement rankings which also requires updating.

Greetings,
Fission
 

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I wasn't asking to edit the original post, but just adding a new post in this thread with the data for BL only. I think it will work.
 

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I wasn't asking to edit the original post, but just adding a new post in this thread with the data for BL only. I think it will work.
@Fission Can you add Blazing Lava tests?
Blazin Lava uses the same armor as the Dominator. Both Ships have 10.000HP. The RDX Black Slate has 9523 HP. Non-Parsec Ships for example ne0n Kodiaq uses the exact armor as the RDX Paragneiss 7692HP.

+ Here are some Armor/HP ranking that i tested with two other pilots. Some tests may not be up-to-date and the correctness can only be confirmed by the developers as we know they like to change something. Everything should be up to date till to the 10th Ship Anln Parsec Storm.



1. Anln Dominator & RDX Blazin Lava 10.000HP
2. RDX Black Slate 9.523HP
3. ne0n Bullfrog 9.090HP
4. ne0n Hawkmoth & ne0n Panther 8.800HP
5. RDX Black Granite 8.695HP
6. ne0n Kodiaq & HyAn Mutilator Parsec & RDX Paragneiss 7.692HP
7. RDX Chromian Corundum 7.407HP
8. RDX Poenari & RDX Obsidian 7.142HP
9. ne0n Thunderbird 6.896HP
10. Anln Parsec Storm 6.666HP
11. Anln Emperor Parsec & RDX Veiled Quartz & Anln Terrorizer & RDX Marlstone & RDX Onyx Marble & ne0n Wolfhound 6.250HP
12. Anln Constructor & Anln Disruptor 6.060HP
13. MST-Y Locust Hybrid 5.882HP
14. Anln Hunter Parsec 5.555HP
15. ne0n Humpback & ne0n Bobcat 5.000HP
 

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Blazin Lava uses the same armor as the Dominator.
Even if i don´t have a Domi as comparision but conisdering how freaking slow the flight speed of the Blaze is i can belive that it is on par with the Domi.

Even if i don´t know if it is totaly true (cus at the end it surely is some number the devs did slap on each ship) but the flight speed of a ship "shows its armor" due of heavier armored ships flying slower then other ships even if they have optically more thrusters. Nowadays however it is hard to compare the flight speed of ships if you have pilots that use next to the speed drone an Speed booster as well.
 

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@KingSub Good job :) U have the information there if anyone needs, which match with our test calculations.

Gonna add it when i get the chance ;)
 
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