Pirate mode: Harassment vs "Red is Dead" issue

[=prometeus=]

But just in fair PVPs you should get points for achievements, because achievements should not be easy to get.

JacTR

Totally agree with this opinion
no bounty for unfair pvp

 

[balance]

(I did not bother reading all the comments because they all the same anyway)

if i remember correctly there were no problems with the first PM ever except for the fact that ppl didn't always get revenge right away. Why are ppl trying to solve something they messed up and just have to put back the old way.

what ppl usually don't think of is that pm was used for a single pvp as well when you were just having fun with friends.
it's was good the way it was enough said

This is just an old beta pilots thoughts.
I have come back to play, it's been over a year now.
The game is getting better but the PM mode is worthless.
I agree it should be as it was in the beta.

i agree with them but we all know that this will never happen but i think ppl who attack lower level ships e.g gem in a draco or serius ship should be punnished with a worning the 1st time 2nd time sent 2 jail for a few hours and gets progressively longer then banned if it keeps happening and we ALL know who thoughs ppl r

 

[ruuji]

I am going to put it simply i stand in the middle red is dead is a fair saying but there are some common sense that goes with it i mean comon you dont have to go and just pod ppl smaller than you ie drac in gemini podding ppl. thats just being a **** at least give a warning and if someone is on a mission leave them alone nobody wants to be podded in the middle of a mission especially when the mission has a high possiblity of failing when they are podded. and if somebody is harving dont wait until they have a bunch of inters on them to attack thats just being a ****. if you know of such players that know that this is fair and deliberately continue to be a **** post their pilot name so people can know to watch for these ppl

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[Ghost division Kane]

Well about attacking low level ships there are many reasons for it. There is a Clan here in Kalgan, Wise Warriors, they always searching entire galaxy to find little ships to pod them, so if any of them pod some member of my Clan, what should I do? I cant kill these pirates because they have Sirius ships, so I must revenge my mates by killing their little ships. So, its not about bounty. Its about code of honor.
Also many reasons are for podding ships: Bounty, PVP Achievements, Clan revenge,... but these guys from WW, they just kill others for sadistic pleasure.

 

[The Rage]

the day splitscreen put any limits on pvp in this game is the day this game will die

 

[ridoi]

Here is something, it's what I call the Golden made up rule(supporter by - who knows). First I must say I am a grateful that this game has a option so another players can't kill/ destroy you- character. But this worries me, did the staff forgot about us high rank players, have they asked us how we feel when we might get a warning/ jailed for podding a lower lvl? This doesn't count in many another games, it's something special, I think.

So example if I was in my sol ship and lower level podded me with higher gears then me, could i report him or her, so the punishment shall be delivered? Or doesn't it count? Harassment? No you can't call that Harassment, it's just weird, you ain't insulting just turning the "PM" off for a another player- and maybe chase them lose there Cryonite.

OK this is a funny story happen some time ago, i won't say if it was me or someone else. So someone used higher system ship-gear to get a lower system ship-gear podded, the lower ship-gear person got angry and wanted revenge, he/ she had stronger ships then the one that podded her/ him, but he/ she decided to use the same system ship- gear as the one that podded him/ her, after podding him/ her for revenge was he/ she finally even. Some days later the one that did seek revenge got jailed for harassment.

 

[Ghost division Kane]

Legally speaking that doesn't make any sense, or there is some part of that story you don't know or not telling us. I tried to think about how they decide to punish someone with intel what I have, but I cant find solution because I dont have all pieces. They never told anyone why they jailing him/her. They only sometimes tell you what you did wrong when they are giving you a warning.
Once time ago one admin told me that if someone pod me 3+ times in 5 minutes, that is harassment and I should report such activity. I did sent a ticket on one player, I forgot his name, and nothing happened. So I gave up of that strategy.
I never like to kill pirates who need level, but those who already have level I kill because their clan members are killing me whenever they want, whether I am leveling or not. So, I am some sort of positive guy here.

 

[=prometeus=]

I think it is time to FORGET about "red is dead" "religion" in PG space..
Who says THAT RED MUST BE DEAD???
where is fair pvp, where is good funny pvp? I think most of PG players already forgot about it!..
Then I remind:
Fair(and funny ) pvp is:
1) FAIR pvp
2)NO NOOB PODDING
..for example, with new xp system many lower lvl players on antares, gemini systems always fly in pm(and they mostly write in their statuses-"PM FOR XP")... but some unfair players with HIGH lvls and HIGH lvl ships, techs-FROM SIRIUS!! . just always involving in nonsense- just they fly everywhere and pod everyone... with sirius TECH! lol...
and I want to note that this is happening everywhere! from Vega till Draconis...
80-85lvl NOOB PODDERS just kill everyone from 12, 15 till 70 lvl players..
I would like to ask- it is fair? of course maybe just one time it happened.. no problem!.. but it is happening always..
And what happens? and what happens is that because a handful of idiots(sorry) with high levels, which are flying around and test their technologies at lower levels , the game loses the new perspective of young participants..
They want to play, they like the PG.. but just maybe they dont have buddies, friends or clans.. noone can help or protect them..and everyone can know that in pm xp grows faster, right?.. so just let the 20lvl player have pvp with 15-22 lvl on antares..they have fun-They have roughly the same technologies and ships.. lets take a chance 45-50 lvl members flying on Sol system without afraid that someone from 85 lvl NOOBS will pod them!
So, RED IS DEAD-right "religion" in this situation? NO
WHO SAID THAT RED IS DEAD???
This is THE PAST IN PG I think!
NO NOOB PODDING!This is THE FUTURE!
I wish that the game developers took seriously to this issue..I insist on it!
But of course, this is just MY OWN opinion-Someone may not agree with it, but someone can support..
Best Regards!

 

[SlothSIN]

I'm level 25 on Askone. I have many more noob hits done to me than fair fights. I've complained, Hell I've even trolled them in return. But there are more annoying things you can do to noob poders than that. Follow them. Why? Because when you are white because they podded you they can't force you into pm. And lets face it as flattering as it can be to have someone follow your ship eventually it gets redundant. Wrong, deffinatly. Equall anoyance, oh yeah. (thats experiance talk lol)

Nevertheless its only harassment if the are continuously bothering you. (off record) If I was a staff or any part of athority I would ask stright up "why do you keep turning pm back on?" People we have ways to prevent it. If you can't find a way to feel even, friends podding them or whatever, just end the problem.....


Besides Podding adds character

~Sloth

 

[BlackHoleSun]

I to like this idea, But PM has been changed before.
From this GM's point of view.
This is a Quest / PvP game not all PvP like many are. So here you make the choice.
As GM I watch for grief done to Vega / Antares pilots by higher lvl pilots.
But as a player you know the consequences of going red.
I remember the days of Beta when a pilot could turn PM on and off at will.
Would you have it return to that? I saw to many pilots Pod other pilots and run for 30 sec. till PM could be turned off. Now that caused a lot of arguing. I view all pilots with a measure of history. I know that the higher pilots will be coming to the lower system on new missions from Sirius, I expect them to be in red, and the others should to. Now if you see these pilots in Vega doing a mission and decide to take a shot at them. He or she may / probably will kill you. Most I have seen come back to do these mission are not there to pirate hunt.
I think most if not all, will not fire until fired on.

But if a bee stings you, what do you do?
Kill IT!

 

[$DarkKevin$]

to many complainers in this game :/ I like the "red is dead" saying

 

[wtgjim]

it is simple...fear nothing....DESTROY everything!

 

[=prometeus=]

it is not surprising that this is say 85lvls "no fear of course-what is the fear if you have 85lvl and sirius techs" players..
what others lower lvl gamers can say?
nothing..
lol guys

 

[=prometeus=]

I to like this idea, But PM has been changed before.
From this GM's point of view.
This is a Quest / PvP game not all PvP like many are. So here you make the choice.
As GM I watch for grief done to Vega / Antares pilots by higher lvl pilots.
But as a player you know the consequences of going red.
I remember the days of Beta when a pilot could turn PM on and off at will.
Would you have it return to that? I saw to many pilots Pod other pilots and run for 30 sec. till PM could be turned off. Now that caused a lot of arguing. I view all pilots with a measure of history. I know that the higher pilots will be coming to the lower system on new missions from Sirius, I expect them to be in red, and the others should to. Now if you see these pilots in Vega doing a mission and decide to take a shot at them. He or she may / probably will kill you. Most I have seen come back to do these mission are not there to pirate hunt.
I think most if not all, will not fire until fired on.

But if a bee stings you, what do you do?
Kill IT!

do not need to change anything.. monkeys will remain monkeys, jackals will always be jackals , cowards all your lives are cowards ... honest and best people will stay the same even here in the online game..
We all show and behave that way, how we understand and who we are in real life

 

[MastrBob]

Let me give an example I saw a few nights ago. I was on aurora helping a few new folks out when I see a ruckus in chat. I move over to see 2 pods, 1 rank 10 and the other rank 12. The pilot sitting over the pods was in a r70 ship. His excuse for podding them when I asked...."I was tired of looking at them". I think this is the kind of abuse we are all looking to stop. When you treat the new players like this we will have no new players and soon no game left to play.

I know what is awaiting me when I turn on pirate mode and expect other pilots in my rank group to try to take me out. I except this risk everytime I turn it on. However I've seen high ranked pilots telling the new folk the advantages to turning on there PM just to pod them for there bounty. Not kewl at all no matter how you look at it.

That's my 2 cents
happy hunting

 

[dorda]

i always play red not because I want to pvp but because of the cry drop bonus and because I think that playing red has a small bonus on bp drops too. I would like to know from Splitscreen if it is all my perception or if the bp drop bonus exists (before I spend a month or 2 doing statistics).

I would like an answer based on what actual game developers know, not the common answer from players is: "makes no difference". I don't think players can give an authoritative answers. Especially people using membership/boosters won't see a very small change in drop %, it is totally hidden by the large bonuses they enjoy.

Personally, I perceive more bp/cry drops when red, especially clear when doing harvs. It could be just perception bias though. In any case being in a constant state of danger makes me enjoy the game more .. and stay barely awake when grinding. It gets very annoying when im in a sm helping others, then suddently the random red pop up and pops me in the middle of a sm.

Thanks

 

[=prometeus=]

Anyway I personally have a suggestion for developers:
1)If anyone(from 10 intil 85 lvl) in sm progress- noone CAN SHOOT if he(she) is red.. even if 85lvl players(who doing sms in vega with vegaship IN PM and his opponent is 12lvl in vega ship IN PM-need to BLOCK SHOOTING)
2)maybe will be better to LOCK surface of planets of lower systems for all players with higher systems` ships(ONLY IF THEY IN PM).. I mean-if I `m red and want to grind on mizar for example with my metasniper-so. if i`m red i cant to land to any planets from vega until draconis..
Thinking about it guys, especially abut y suggestion number TWO lol
Who can say about this?

 

[Dakahn]

Over time of playing the game i have come to see this issue in a different light, I think that there should be no restrictions for who you can pod while in pirate mode. I think that how you play the game will change how much other players will trust you and if they will hunt you down in return. I personally don't like noob podding, but if you restrict this in the game is a loss of the feeling that the game is named for. "Pirate" galaxy.

Play with honor, be treated with honor, kill everything in sight, expect to be killed by everyone that can kill you.

 

[SlothSIN]

Over time of playing the game i have come to see this issue in a different light, I think that there should be no restrictions for who you can pod while in pirate mode. I think that how you play the game will change how much other players will trust you and if they will hunt you down in return. I personally don't like noob podding, but if you restrict this in the game is a loss of the feeling that the game is named for. "Pirate" galaxy.

Play with honor, be treated with honor, kill everything in sight, expect to be killed by everyone that can kill you.

Its that killing everything in sight thing that is the issue. Nothing is going to change no matter how much we rant about it one way or the other. The point boils down to there is absolutly no reason to be podding those that are in extreamly low tech. There is no reason for a level 10 to be podded by anything past level 17. Nothing shouts I need to have an ego boost like noob podding. Come one lets face it all of us were to noob pod even for a day it would kill potential people to staying. That may not be an issue for many of you but look at it this way....

Theoretically speaking. Lets say the average players gained in a day to one server is 10 (this is for easy math). About half of them will actually play till level 10 before deciding if they like it or not. Out of those 5 3 will continue playing into Ant. That means 3 people to stay. Out of those 3, 1 is more than likely going to pay for boosts. With a membership being what 20 USD for a month that is a low profit margin. So lets now say that there are 100 people playing on each server. with the math from above thats about 33 paying players. assuming that they only pay for a month at a time for a membership that is 660 USD a month. (guessing this number completly because I don't know it and don't feel like looking) out of 5 servers that is 3.3k USD. A month.

Now take what you think it takes to keep this game going, advertising, staff, amongst other things even witht he other games its not a good profit, maybe even in the whole.

So rather than not killing noobs because it in general is an asshat move, do it so the game is still around when we try to log on tomorrow.

Drastic yes but think about how many people quit because they get "harassed" in pm.

~Sloth

 

[Ghost division Kane]

Red is dead if a red player is from Joker and Chaos. No mercy. Every member of Galaxy Brothers have a duty to kill even total noob member of these clans. For successful kill every member is rewarded with graviton.

Death to Joker!

Ghost division Kane
Captain of Galaxy Brothers
Kalgan