Yea.. balanced huh..

[TwistedMetal]

yes i self matted that cos iv still got over 1 million e left over from when i bought e and it used my e to mat as well, you cant self mat at cqs and id love to know where you saw me self mat 3 times??? and sorry if i annoyed you but get over it thats life we aint all here to please you

 

[ElectroM]

yes i self matted that cos iv still got over 1 million e left over from when i bought e and it used my e to mat as well, you cant self mat at cqs and id love to know where you saw me self mat 3 times??? and sorry if i annoyed you but get over it thats life we aint all here to please you

Not only stupid, and bad arguer but blind too

 

[TwistedMetal]

lol you kidding aint yea your whole argument is based on on the fact that your a poor child that has spat his dummy out cos he cant afford a membership, your argument isnt even valid cos there is no argument your just ranting like a little girl

 

[ElectroM]

lol you kidding aint yea your whole argument is based on on the fact that your a poor child that has spat his dummy out cos he cant afford a membership, your argument isnt even valid cos there is no argument your just ranting like a little girl

First, just because I'm not rich that doesn't mean am poor OK?!
Second, I don't want the membership TO BUY IT OK, Moron?!
Third, I'm not ranting, I'm just showing the unbalance of the new memberships, OK?!

Just because you can afford or got the money to buy it doesn't make it TRUE nor GOOD.. You're argument is based on your: stupidity, none-sense, and brag about having money and rich friends

But hey, as you said, it's life! In life, my friend, people like you and with that animal thinking of yours won't get you anywhere, if you going to tell me: I am doing good in life, bla bla bla, I'm gonna be rich or whatever, but with your attitude and if you stood next to me, how tall you are I'll always look down to see you climbing up my boots, OK!?

However, my argument is based on facts, numbers, and witnesses of its unfair un-balance, and you still think your argument is more true, but the fact is.. it's ridiculous, OK?!

Plus, I was talking to obbin and you replied like I was talking to you, proves my "You're talking none-sense"

Therefore, you're hole argument sucks

Enjoy you're FAIL!

ElectroM

 

[Sinned]

Take it easy guys.
Lets not turn this into who is bad and who is good.

Regards
Dark Lord

 

[ElectroM]

Well, he is turning it to that.. with his comments and replies that is childish even when he knows it's unbalanced he does argue to take the advantage of its superiority in game, which is out of words.. it's more than what he is paying to get.. simply, it's too cheap or too out rated, like Sinned already suggested maybe 80% or 85% could be good, but I got an idea that could make it fair and he WILL get what he EARNS from paying..

X Membership:
2 times more Energy collected per Ball for 1 month
double E cap

Y Membership:
3 times more Energy collected per ball for 2 months
2.5 X more E cap

Z Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 3 months
2.5 X more E cap

W Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 6 months
4 X more E cap

But that will interfer with instant matting -,- but..

 

[ridoi]

for me is it ok even if I do not have membership guys someone must earn something for this, and see here they pay for it and we not so play free or pay

 

[TwistedMetal]

lol well im goin to log onto the game now and enjoy my UNLIMITED E thank you very much splitscreen

 

[lance]

Well, he is turning it to that.. with his comments and replies that is childish even when he knows it's unbalanced he does argue to take the advantage of its superiority in game, which is out of words.. it's more than what he is paying to get.. simply, it's too cheap or too out rated, like Sinned already suggested maybe 80% or 85% could be good, but I got an idea that could make it fair and he WILL get what he EARNS from paying..

X Membership:
2 times more Energy collected per Ball for 1 month
double E cap

Y Membership:
3 times more Energy collected per ball for 2 months
2.5 X more E cap

Z Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 3 months
2.5 X more E cap

W Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 6 months
4 X more E cap

But that will interfer with instant matting -,- but..

Ok. Can you stop being a massive hypocrite and make some sense man? Anyone who disagrees with you, you insult to try and make yourself look bigger... Then when someone picks up on it you say "well he started it"...lol. I would not like to agree with Twisted in the fact that you are a little kid but seriously, you are not doing ANY favours for yourself.

Here is a new concept here... Perhaps SS werent doing very well? Perhaps they did not make as much profit as they wanted to? perhaps they are expanding so need more money than usual? True, every player pays less, but if you think twisted is the only person paying SS then you are severely mistaken. Each players input to SS's profit is barely noticable. Its the OVERALL profit that counts. So if each individual pays less, but more people pay, then SS's profit goes UP. I hope i explained this clear enough to get into your small (to say the least) mind...

Secondly, If you think I am just another paying player trying to defend their memberships, you are WRONG. I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A MEMBERSHIP!!!! just thought i would clear that up.

In terms of self matting... I have destroyed many players who self mat in a 1v1, then got them again when they mat. There is a technique to it, a little thing called "skill"... ever heard of it? I didnt think so. Just get as far away as you can as soon as they pod- expect the worst and it pays off.

The simple fact is, if you had enough money to pay for this game without it being expensive in comparison to your income, you would buy it without a second thought.

Another thing... If you dont want to sound like you are, to use twisted's words, "spitting your dummy out" I suggest that you accept NO MATTER what the update is, if it changes a key feature in the game people will dislike it. I, for example, do not like the sound of PM 2.0 at all because of how many people it will "scare" out of PM. But i can accept that some do like it, and do not have to insult them to try and make my point more valid. I can "agree to disagree".

You cant. Quite simply, you think everyone should have the same opinion as you or be "blind" or "retarded" or "stupid". This makes you sound like a pathetic little child who cannot argue something with some degree of respect.

To Twisted; tbh you are sinking to the same level as him, but i understand that, as he started throwing insults first, you think you must throw them back in his face. I prefer the painfully sarcastic demeaning way of dealing with this... (which isnt much better lol)

Here is another idea for you to dwell upon. Perhaps, many people initially thought the old membership was a good deal... After buying it they regretted doing so. So, although many players initially bought memberships, the number of people who are still doing so are thinning. What would you do?

I certainly know what i would do... Decrease the price of the memberships and make them more appealing... more people buy them, and profit increases. A win-win situation no? You keep the players happy and get more profit for yourself.

But, alas, you upset the f2p players who now complain about how unfair it is... But, who matters more to you? The people doing nothing towards the game, or the people who are supporting you? A no- brainer, the paying players ALWAYS take priority, for obvious reasons. If you keep them happy, you keep the game stable.

This game has a near PERFECT balance between F2P and P2P... You go play any other game and you have to pay to do a key feature in it... Considering I could, if i put my mind to it, buy a parsec without much trouble, and i am 4 levels off the highest in the game, I think this game has it exactly right.

Seems unfair doesnt it? Well, I would say that as you are paying nothing to play one of the best F2P games on the internet, you have a pretty damn good deal.

Despite the fact that I pay nothing, (well, i have bought e on occasion) I am not only grateful to the people who have made this game work, but also to the players who have supported it so it can continue to be as good as always.

Slating on people for the sole reason of PAYING FOR YOUR GAME isnt the way to go.

 

[Sinned]

Well, he is turning it to that.. with his comments and replies that is childish even when he knows it's unbalanced he does argue to take the advantage of its superiority in game, which is out of words.. it's more than what he is paying to get.. simply, it's too cheap or too out rated, like Sinned already suggested maybe 80% or 85% could be good, but I got an idea that could make it fair and he WILL get what he EARNS from paying..

X Membership:
2 times more Energy collected per Ball for 1 month
double E cap

Y Membership:
3 times more Energy collected per ball for 2 months
2.5 X more E cap

Z Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 3 months
2.5 X more E cap

W Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 6 months
4 X more E cap

But that will interfer with instant matting -,- but..

Ok. Can you stop being a massive hypocrite and make some sense man? Anyone who disagrees with you, you insult to try and make yourself look bigger... Then when someone picks up on it you say "well he started it"...lol. I would not like to agree with Twisted in the fact that you are a little kid but seriously, you are not doing ANY favours for yourself.

Here is a new concept here... Perhaps SS werent doing very well? Perhaps they did not make as much profit as they wanted to? perhaps they are expanding so need more money than usual? True, every player pays less, but if you think twisted is the only person paying SS then you are severely mistaken. Each players input to SS's profit is barely noticable. Its the OVERALL profit that counts. So if each individual pays less, but more people pay, then SS's profit goes UP. I hope i explained this clear enough to get into your small (to say the least) mind...

Secondly, If you think I am just another paying player trying to defend their memberships, you are WRONG. I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A MEMBERSHIP!!!! just thought i would clear that up.

In terms of self matting... I have destroyed many players who self mat in a 1v1, then got them again when they mat. There is a technique to it, a little thing called "skill"... ever heard of it? I didnt think so. Just get as far away as you can as soon as they pod- expect the worst and it pays off.

The simple fact is, if you had enough money to pay for this game without it being expensive in comparison to your income, you would buy it without a second thought.

Another thing... If you dont want to sound like you are, to use twisted's words, "spitting your dummy out" I suggest that you accept NO MATTER what the update is, if it changes a key feature in the game people will dislike it. I, for example, do not like the sound of PM 2.0 at all because of how many people it will "scare" out of PM. But i can accept that some do like it, and do not have to insult them to try and make my point more valid. I can "agree to disagree".

You cant. Quite simply, you think everyone should have the same opinion as you or be "blind" or "retarded" or "stupid". This makes you sound like a pathetic little child who cannot argue something with some degree of respect.

To Twisted; tbh you are sinking to the same level as him, but i understand that, as he started throwing insults first, you think you must throw them back in his face. I prefer the painfully sarcastic demeaning way of dealing with this... (which isnt much better lol)

Here is another idea for you to dwell upon. Perhaps, many people initially thought the old membership was a good deal... After buying it they regretted doing so. So, although many players initially bought memberships, the number of people who are still doing so are thinning. What would you do?

I certainly know what i would do... Decrease the price of the memberships and make them more appealing... more people buy them, and profit increases. A win-win situation no? You keep the players happy and get more profit for yourself.

But, alas, you upset the f2p players who now complain about how unfair it is... But, who matters more to you? The people doing nothing towards the game, or the people who are supporting you? A no- brainer, the paying players ALWAYS take priority, for obvious reasons. If you keep them happy, you keep the game stable.

This game has a near PERFECT balance between F2P and P2P... You go play any other game and you have to pay to do a key feature in it... Considering I could, if i put my mind to it, buy a parsec without much trouble, and i am 4 levels off the highest in the game, I think this game has it exactly right.

Seems unfair doesnt it? Well, I would say that as you are paying nothing to play one of the best F2P games on the internet, you have a pretty damn good deal.

Despite the fact that I pay nothing, (well, i have bought e on occasion) I am not only grateful to the people who have made this game work, but also to the players who have supported it so it can continue to be as good as always.

Slating on people for the sole reason of PAYING FOR YOUR GAME isnt the way to go.

hi m8,

You have some good points here but im bored and I want to argue.

Lets forget the ultimate membership atm, lets focus on e.Energy, the most important thing in PG.You may think ''No its not e, cryonite is the most important thing''.Well no its not.Without cryo u can play as well, but u wont be able upgrade or buy new ships but you can still play.If you had no e, you would be useless.

Only 2 things made the game so balanced between free players and paying players.
1.You can't buy cryonite with real money.Thats something I love in PG.
2.Even with the best old membership, soon or late you would have to refill, no matter how long your e would last.So free player or not, e was still the most important thing for you.
These made the game balanced and there was nothing a paying player could do and a free player not.

What happens now? The ultimate membership gives unlimited e.For a player who has it, e in no longer the most important thing for him.Its the cry.Here starts the grinding problem where grinding is way easier now with this new membership.Anyway that is not something that bothers me.

Now I agree that the old memberships were not good.x4 e cap means x4 more e to get.But cant agree with new ones.The enhanced membership costs too much for what it gives.The elite one is not bad but I wouldn't buy it.Why? Because of the ultimate membership.It costs much less for what it gives.I mean unlimited e, its like giving u unlimited cry.You can do anything with it and not even care anymore.

Now a new player who comes here may think'' damn who is right, one guy says it is unfair but he is a free player, but the other says it is cool and he is a paying player.''The reason that makes me think that I am right is the fact that I am a FREE PLAYER.I do not win anything out of this, that why I always try to find the best solution.TwistedMetal probably thinks im a free player crying because I can't get a membership but thats not true.You should understand this lance because we are in the same position but with different points of view.

I have said it lots of times and will keep saying.The best solution is 85-90% of e saved!!! Of course those who have the ultimate membership will support it because it is a very good deal for them but not sure if it is for SS.85-90% e would be a good deal for everyone and everyone would be happy.Just the fact the someone with the membership does not use a single e, makes me think something is not right here.

Please consider it SS.I know paying players are the first priority but this looks weird to me.Of course if someone from SS came here and explained how it works to me I would feel much better.

Regards
Dark Lord

 

[Razzorkill]

Tell me the balance in this: Player bought ultimate and cry protect, and he goes along shoots dies and dont go to base as he can mat him self, and so on, he doesn't lose cry, he does his missions, he died, he mat himself continues, grinds 24/7 and end up at the end of day: no Energy lost. no cry lost ( I not saying am against the cry protect, but i mean how the memberships made even other boosters abused) and therefore player got nothing to lose.. and the game turns to a game where he can test everything in consequence of his death but it means nothing to him.. After I click submit, I say from now you will see over 20 posts saying : You just saying that because you cant afford them OR go get money and buy them OR we paying so you can play for free OR you're crying cause you don't have one OR i see more balanced and I love it..

Well all that is simply a B.S..

Tell me if that is balanced:

Normal player flying red, and another with ultimate energy jumps him normal player wins, ultimate 10 secs he mats himself, the player tries to run away he didn't know the other guy could simply re mat himself, rare occasion the normal player won again, and got nearly out of Energy and ran away, other player mat himself and go shoot him again, AND YOU TELL ME THIS IS BALANCED

For people saying You hate them because you don't afford them: I wont even think of buying them even if i had unlimited Gold, they are completely bad memberships

For people saying you hate them because you don't have them: I don't WANT them to have them

For people saying you crying because people killing you and they got unlimited Energy: You go in normal account and you test if it's balanced and fair

For people saying the new memberships are better than the old ones: Simply because you HAVE them, and you are experiencing the abusive and stupid over-reality memberships..

For people saying we spend money for you to play for free: and the game didn't make any money in the old BALANCED memberships?!

For people saying we paying to get best value for our money: YOU ARE GETTING MORE THAN FREAKING ENOUGH


I opened this thread to discuss this stupid new memberships:

DISCUSS

P:S : I CAN ARGUE THE HOLE DAY.. so go on.. comment..


*Submits*

I am rank68 and I use 4830 e every time I mat and my cap is 6900, so if I remat myself I need to refill energy

 

[lance]

hi m8,

You have some good points here but im bored and I want to argue.

Lets forget the ultimate membership atm, lets focus on e.Energy, the most important thing in PG.You may think ''No its not e, cryonite is the most important thing''.Well no its not.Without cryo u can play as well, but u wont be able upgrade or buy new ships but you can still play.If you had no e, you would be useless.

Only 2 things made the game so balanced between free players and paying players.
1.You can't buy cryonite with real money.Thats something I love in PG.
2.Even with the best old membership, soon or late you would have to refill, no matter how long your e would last.So free player or not, e was still the most important thing for you.
These made the game balanced and there was nothing a paying player could do and a free player not.

What happens now? The ultimate membership gives unlimited e.For a player who has it, e in no longer the most important thing for him.Its the cry.Here starts the grinding problem where grinding is way easier now with this new membership.Anyway that is not something that bothers me.

Now I agree that the old memberships were not good.x4 e cap means x4 more e to get.But cant agree with new ones.The enhanced membership costs too much for what it gives.The elite one is not bad but I wouldn't buy it.Why? Because of the ultimate membership.It costs much less for what it gives.I mean unlimited e, its like giving u unlimited cry.You can do anything with it and not even care anymore.

Now a new player who comes here may think'' damn who is right, one guy says it is unfair but he is a free player, but the other says it is cool and he is a paying player.''The reason that makes me think that I am right is the fact that I am a FREE PLAYER.I do not win anything out of this, that why I always try to find the best solution.TwistedMetal probably thinks im a free player crying because I can't get a membership but thats not true.You should understand this lance because we are in the same position but with different points of view.

I have said it lots of times and will keep saying.The best solution is 85-90% of e saved!!! Of course those who have the ultimate membership will support it because it is a very good deal for them but not sure if it is for SS.85-90% e would be a good deal for everyone and everyone would be happy.Just the fact the someone with the membership does not use a single e, makes me think something is not right here.

Please consider it SS.I know paying players are the first priority but this looks weird to me.Of course if someone from SS came here and explained how it works to me I would feel much better.

Regards
Dark Lord

Well put. But look at it from a paying players perspective. I shall do one of my "amazing" impresssions of one.

Item shop: "new membership! 90% of e consuption is saved!"

Paying player: "kewl."

He MIGHT buy it, in fact a fair few players probably still would. But if i put it this way:


Item Shop: "new membership! UNLIMITED E for £x!!!"

Paying player: "OMG unlimited e? I must buy!"

There is a much higher chance of a paying player paying for unlimited e then 90% saved. This may even attract the players in the F2P market that have the money but the "its not worth it" attitude.

The higher % of players who pay, the better.

Another thing to consider... Even if the membership did give 90% less e consuption, do you really think that these players would not be a pain in grinding places? Even a player with the elite membership ( the 75% one, whatever its called) can go for a very long time without collecting e.

For example, a level 68 player can have a max e cap of 6900, am i right?

so, if you save 90% on blaster fire alone, he uses 3e per shot. That means he can fire 2300 times before needing to reload... and his rep droid will only cost 12e to use...
rockets will be 9e
aim computer 6e

You may as well have infinite e, it will take one hell of a long time to run out.

 

[TwistedMetal]

lol you kidding aint yea your whole argument is based on on the fact that your a poor child that has spat his dummy out cos he cant afford a membership, your argument isnt even valid cos there is no argument your just ranting like a little girl

First, just because I'm not rich that doesn't mean am poor OK?!
Second, I don't want the membership TO BUY IT OK, Moron?!
Third, I'm not ranting, I'm just showing the unbalance of the new memberships, OK?!

Just because you can afford or got the money to buy it doesn't make it TRUE nor GOOD.. You're argument is based on your: stupidity, none-sense, and brag about having money and rich friends

But hey, as you said, it's life! In life, my friend, people like you and with that animal thinking of yours won't get you anywhere, if you going to tell me: I am doing good in life, bla bla bla, I'm gonna be rich or whatever, but with your attitude and if you stood next to me, how tall you are I'll always look down to see you climbing up my boots, OK!?

However, my argument is based on facts, numbers, and witnesses of its unfair un-balance, and you still think your argument is more true, but the fact is.. it's ridiculous, OK?!

Plus, I was talking to obbin and you replied like I was talking to you, proves my "You're talking none-sense"

Therefore, you're hole argument sucks

Enjoy you're FAIL!

ElectroM

all i can say to that is lol your so wrong on so many levels i almost feel like sending you some cash to send you to a better school so you can learn about the real world lol kids these days

 

[TwistedMetal]

Well, he is turning it to that.. with his comments and replies that is childish even when he knows it's unbalanced he does argue to take the advantage of its superiority in game, which is out of words.. it's more than what he is paying to get.. simply, it's too cheap or too out rated, like Sinned already suggested maybe 80% or 85% could be good, but I got an idea that could make it fair and he WILL get what he EARNS from paying..

X Membership:
2 times more Energy collected per Ball for 1 month
double E cap

Y Membership:
3 times more Energy collected per ball for 2 months
2.5 X more E cap

Z Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 3 months
2.5 X more E cap

W Membership:
4 times more Energy collected per ball for 6 months
4 X more E cap

But that will interfer with instant matting -,- but..

Ok. Can you stop being a massive hypocrite and make some sense man? Anyone who disagrees with you, you insult to try and make yourself look bigger... Then when someone picks up on it you say "well he started it"...lol. I would not like to agree with Twisted in the fact that you are a little kid but seriously, you are not doing ANY favours for yourself.

Here is a new concept here... Perhaps SS werent doing very well? Perhaps they did not make as much profit as they wanted to? perhaps they are expanding so need more money than usual? True, every player pays less, but if you think twisted is the only person paying SS then you are severely mistaken. Each players input to SS's profit is barely noticable. Its the OVERALL profit that counts. So if each individual pays less, but more people pay, then SS's profit goes UP. I hope i explained this clear enough to get into your small (to say the least) mind...

Secondly, If you think I am just another paying player trying to defend their memberships, you are WRONG. I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A MEMBERSHIP!!!! just thought i would clear that up.

In terms of self matting... I have destroyed many players who self mat in a 1v1, then got them again when they mat. There is a technique to it, a little thing called "skill"... ever heard of it? I didnt think so. Just get as far away as you can as soon as they pod- expect the worst and it pays off.

The simple fact is, if you had enough money to pay for this game without it being expensive in comparison to your income, you would buy it without a second thought.

Another thing... If you dont want to sound like you are, to use twisted's words, "spitting your dummy out" I suggest that you accept NO MATTER what the update is, if it changes a key feature in the game people will dislike it. I, for example, do not like the sound of PM 2.0 at all because of how many people it will "scare" out of PM. But i can accept that some do like it, and do not have to insult them to try and make my point more valid. I can "agree to disagree".

You cant. Quite simply, you think everyone should have the same opinion as you or be "blind" or "retarded" or "stupid". This makes you sound like a pathetic little child who cannot argue something with some degree of respect.

To Twisted; tbh you are sinking to the same level as him, but i understand that, as he started throwing insults first, you think you must throw them back in his face. I prefer the painfully sarcastic demeaning way of dealing with this... (which isnt much better lol)

Here is another idea for you to dwell upon. Perhaps, many people initially thought the old membership was a good deal... After buying it they regretted doing so. So, although many players initially bought memberships, the number of people who are still doing so are thinning. What would you do?

I certainly know what i would do... Decrease the price of the memberships and make them more appealing... more people buy them, and profit increases. A win-win situation no? You keep the players happy and get more profit for yourself.

But, alas, you upset the f2p players who now complain about how unfair it is... But, who matters more to you? The people doing nothing towards the game, or the people who are supporting you? A no- brainer, the paying players ALWAYS take priority, for obvious reasons. If you keep them happy, you keep the game stable.

This game has a near PERFECT balance between F2P and P2P... You go play any other game and you have to pay to do a key feature in it... Considering I could, if i put my mind to it, buy a parsec without much trouble, and i am 4 levels off the highest in the game, I think this game has it exactly right.

Seems unfair doesnt it? Well, I would say that as you are paying nothing to play one of the best F2P games on the internet, you have a pretty damn good deal.

Despite the fact that I pay nothing, (well, i have bought e on occasion) I am not only grateful to the people who have made this game work, but also to the players who have supported it so it can continue to be as good as always.

Slating on people for the sole reason of PAYING FOR YOUR GAME isnt the way to go.

as much as we hate to agree you hit the nail on the head, couldnt have said it better myself

 

[CommanderCody]

Precisly but I do think somthing SHOULD be done about Unlimited E and thus Unlimited Self Resurect at CQs, that is extremly unfair on other Clans who dont pay to play. Just saying that something needs to be done there but otherwise folks, GET OVER IT! Unlimited Energy and the New Memberships are here to stay unless the Pay to Play folks rebel and refuse to use them.

 

[Adrana]

This is getting way out of hands, I can see the sparkling flying around side by side with insults.
This argument will now be ended and closed, and any thread opened up and with same kind of childish behaviour I will close again till you start to behave without insulting anyone in your writings.