RE: HALL OF SHAME, Sorry Cannot Let This Go . . .
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Attention! I got banned as Dione (SGM), but NOT for any cheat. Just to clear that I wasn't one gm who ever cheated, nor ever as player, nor ever abused the gm powers I had, but I know of who done off course.
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Ok guys, Most of you know who I am, for those of you that dont, I was Osirus. I spent almost a year here as GM, then LGM, then Community Manager for Gamigo. You guys are coming down on the Splitscreen people and arent being very nice about it.
On the allegations that the previous management of Gamigo knew about the cheats and let them slide. Incorrect. I spent months investigating people for cheats, poured over hundreds of pages of logs looking for inconsistancies. Only a few were found because what we were looking for couldnt be tracked at the time. Some of us posted every program we could find that we either knew could hack pg, or affect the gains, cooldown hacks and such.
I wanted to fry the cheaters as much as anyone, those that cheated, knew that we were onto them but unable at the time to track them conclusively. This was changed in the last weeks that we were here. Splitscreen found a way of tracking each of the instances and record them. Anything that was done before Splitscreen took over was brushed off and everyone given a clean slate, even though I had hard evidence of at least 10 people cheating.
The people that cheated, they knew who they were. They also knew that if they got caught, it was going to be deletion. This went for GMs and players alike. You all know Meraque got busted, a GM did, plus two other player accounts, and the sentence was the same for all of them. Deletion. Plain and simple people, if you cheat your going to get buried back to an Anin-1300 cause your pilots going to be tossed out the airlock without a space suit.
People accuse Dione of being fired for cheating. That was not true and never was so lets get that clear now. Personally, I'm glad they finally found a way to detect and remove cheaters and you guys should be too. Especially if your one of the ones paying good money to play. So be nice to the Splitscreen guys, they are catching up on some long standing issues as fast as they can.
On the allegations that the previous management of Gamigo knew about the cheats and let them slide. Incorrect. I spent months investigating people for cheats, poured over hundreds of pages of logs looking for inconsistancies. Only a few were found because what we were looking for couldnt be tracked at the time. Some of us posted every program we could find that we either knew could hack pg, or affect the gains, cooldown hacks and such.
I wanted to fry the cheaters as much as anyone, those that cheated, knew that we were onto them but unable at the time to track them conclusively. This was changed in the last weeks that we were here. Splitscreen found a way of tracking each of the instances and record them. Anything that was done before Splitscreen took over was brushed off and everyone given a clean slate, even though I had hard evidence of at least 10 people cheating.
The people that cheated, they knew who they were. They also knew that if they got caught, it was going to be deletion. This went for GMs and players alike. You all know Meraque got busted, a GM did, plus two other player accounts, and the sentence was the same for all of them. Deletion. Plain and simple people, if you cheat your going to get buried back to an Anin-1300 cause your pilots going to be tossed out the airlock without a space suit.
People accuse Dione of being fired for cheating. That was not true and never was so lets get that clear now. Personally, I'm glad they finally found a way to detect and remove cheaters and you guys should be too. Especially if your one of the ones paying good money to play. So be nice to the Splitscreen guys, they are catching up on some long standing issues as fast as they can.
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both sides put good arguments up but i think judge dredd aka osirus sums it all up. iv been spending between 20 to 50 quid a day since sol opend to get my boosters and membership and energy so if someone is gettin millions of e and cryo for free is not fair on me or anyone else who spends alot on this game cos without the ppl like me and other that spend like me there would be no game
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Nicely said Dredd, if only you could catch them all ... if you ever wants bps man you only have to to ask 
Errm me thinks freedom of speach dont exist on this forum anymore.... Funny how I predicted my post of last night to disapear.... Way too many gray areas on this subject..Im just glad I moved on when I did...I recomend everyone else does as well... And as for a player being a GM as a former GM if you become a GM you should not have a player account period..... End game reached!!!!
Osirus, the people you had hard evidence about was from cooldown cheating which was different from what this was about. Being caught with cooldown skip doesn't necessarily mean they were cheating. It is too sensitive at the moment but is being optimised for patch Wednesday. We had no detection for the type of hacking that we experienced this time which required intense investigation at an admin level which has many more search options. We declared an amnesty on cheaters 2 weeks ago to let cheaters come forward and hand themselves in before we did our server sweep which was inevitable. The exploits, hacks and identity theft thread was there for that reason.
Only one player came forward and we removed his hacked crystals and energy and restored it to the levels before the hack. We even let him keep his parsec.
Only one player came forward and we removed his hacked crystals and energy and restored it to the levels before the hack. We even let him keep his parsec.
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I don't agree with letting them keep the parsec but oh well. Letting them keep playing should be enough surely.
None of the banned players will have their accounts reinstated. They had their chance and they blew it.BucaneerBill said:
The one pilot who turned himself in, approached us a week and a half ago when I posted the exploits, hacks and identity theft thread, way before yesterdays ban date.
I havn't commented on this subject till now for the simple reason I don't know all the facts.
But to be honest at this point we need a bit of sanity on this arguement.
Gm's.......what did u expect.......many players are shocked by recent events.....and while I know you are proud at what has happened.... the smugness of the replies we got .......(we are right sod all the arguements) is counter productive to getting the game back to its best.
I am not critisising u for what u did......if u have proof people cheated u had to act........even if I am shocked at some of the names.
But I cant blame the ones that have posted for what they say either.....there is a lot of confusion among players just now.......the cheat message bug is adding to this...
Also u should not be deleting posts from players just because they question what is going on. It just adds to the feeling that we have no say.
Delloda......I understand why u posted the de dum post.........but lets be honest.....it was inflamitory when most of us are unsure what is going on.
All I ask is a fair game.......reasonable explanation for changes....and not crowing about how you were the best.
Players.......I share ure confusion and anger, but as i said to the gm's......just posting bad comments about how they are helping cheats (allegedly) doesnt really help either. They are here to help us get the best enjoyment out of this game and if we cant trust that is their primary role then we will never get the best we could.
Dione.......I know u were never implicated......Osirus and Vorash.......We all know u were fair in everything u did.
Please all players.......if u dont have facts that the gm's are wrong........dont just attack
Please all gm's.......dont be so smug when a lot of players are feeling very confused
Longest post I have ever made........but I as well am feeling uneasy with the recent turn of events
But to be honest at this point we need a bit of sanity on this arguement.
Gm's.......what did u expect.......many players are shocked by recent events.....and while I know you are proud at what has happened.... the smugness of the replies we got .......(we are right sod all the arguements) is counter productive to getting the game back to its best.
I am not critisising u for what u did......if u have proof people cheated u had to act........even if I am shocked at some of the names.
But I cant blame the ones that have posted for what they say either.....there is a lot of confusion among players just now.......the cheat message bug is adding to this...
Also u should not be deleting posts from players just because they question what is going on. It just adds to the feeling that we have no say.
Delloda......I understand why u posted the de dum post.........but lets be honest.....it was inflamitory when most of us are unsure what is going on.
All I ask is a fair game.......reasonable explanation for changes....and not crowing about how you were the best.
Players.......I share ure confusion and anger, but as i said to the gm's......just posting bad comments about how they are helping cheats (allegedly) doesnt really help either. They are here to help us get the best enjoyment out of this game and if we cant trust that is their primary role then we will never get the best we could.
Dione.......I know u were never implicated......Osirus and Vorash.......We all know u were fair in everything u did.
Please all players.......if u dont have facts that the gm's are wrong........dont just attack
Please all gm's.......dont be so smug when a lot of players are feeling very confused
Longest post I have ever made........but I as well am feeling uneasy with the recent turn of events
Although i do agree with data on most of those subjects, and despite the fact that i had some good buddies in that list... the fact remains that they still cheated, hacked, what ever you wanna call it. while i was spending hours of time, repeatedly getting annoyed with shooting stuff for crystal, they where hacking n cheating... that annoys me and their accounts AND clan name (if commander) should be deleated, of which the remainder of members (honest 1's) can stay solo or join existing clans. there is no excess for cheating what so ever, and as a commander i would boot any proved to be cheating out of my clan.altho there is a degree of shadyness, ESPECIALLY SINCE 1 OF MINE WAS ACCUSED BY THOSE WHO WERE DOING IT ALL ALONG........ all cheaters should be banned out right despite how 'nice' they might be
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Odin
Well Datajam..
i think the game is funnier now that we know that we all can play on the same terms as all of the players.. Not get frustrated over seeing a player with fewer days playtime than others, having more than them.. I think removal of cheaters and perm ban is good and maybe the rest that tried it and got away can think twice this time..
Odin..
i think the game is funnier now that we know that we all can play on the same terms as all of the players.. Not get frustrated over seeing a player with fewer days playtime than others, having more than them.. I think removal of cheaters and perm ban is good and maybe the rest that tried it and got away can think twice this time..
Odin..
I state my question again: what good is a so-called permanent ban, if the offending players are spotted having a new account, and access to Molikar in two days, with the help of his former clan members. I just spotted one of them hanging in orbit of Molikar, having level 19 and in his starter ship.
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Not only a new account but a second account used before, so to say double account Daniah.
I see this is very disrespectful towards players who was friends of people in the hall of shame.
Gaining advantage over those friends, and all other players, thats really shameful.
Still denying of cheating.
How much more even I could forgive, if they would confess, admit the guilt, show their regrets of what they did, and just something as simples as telling they are sorry for what they did.
That would show they have somewhat respect towards fellow players, and whom they once called mates.
I myself have done lots of work, grinding to get crystals, hours of e refill, and fighting mantis for hours and hours, day and night just for to obtain bp's, and refilling E again, a constant struggle sometimes, but in a honest way, I can really say I am proud of myself, and go forwards with my head raised in pride, not sunken in shame.
Makes me furious to think that some players had to break the rules for to have it much easier than others.
Also how much Gold I and so many others, have purchased for to obtain boosters what could ease the struggle of refilling e, and to get a bit more crystals from grinding.
I think so many players has really seen me grinding a lot, hours and hours, still I haven't managed to grind even the price of a first full parsec, and not to talk about a second one.
Still people who I haven't seen grinding, or taking e, and are on the list, had even 2 of them, and they still dare to tell they are innocent.
I wish these bans would be worked on, and the rules been checked if this is the right way and right toward honest people, to let them come back in the game with a new account, and remaining even after people has recognized banned players in those accounts.
Today really was a day when -20 Rank ships reached Mizar with a starter ship, just sitting in orbit letting clanmates do the missions for them, probably they will reach SOL tomorrow with a rank below 20.
So we have only to look and guess who they are, not too hard.
You who return to the game doing this, you know who you are, and be aware of, you will never gain the respect from other players what you once had before people knew you took advantages over them for to show how "good" and "great" players you are, and wanted to have all so easy.
I think I have let out what I had in my heart, still in chock, and so very very disappointed and sad.
I see this is very disrespectful towards players who was friends of people in the hall of shame.
Gaining advantage over those friends, and all other players, thats really shameful.
Still denying of cheating.
How much more even I could forgive, if they would confess, admit the guilt, show their regrets of what they did, and just something as simples as telling they are sorry for what they did.
That would show they have somewhat respect towards fellow players, and whom they once called mates.
I myself have done lots of work, grinding to get crystals, hours of e refill, and fighting mantis for hours and hours, day and night just for to obtain bp's, and refilling E again, a constant struggle sometimes, but in a honest way, I can really say I am proud of myself, and go forwards with my head raised in pride, not sunken in shame.
Makes me furious to think that some players had to break the rules for to have it much easier than others.
Also how much Gold I and so many others, have purchased for to obtain boosters what could ease the struggle of refilling e, and to get a bit more crystals from grinding.
I think so many players has really seen me grinding a lot, hours and hours, still I haven't managed to grind even the price of a first full parsec, and not to talk about a second one.
Still people who I haven't seen grinding, or taking e, and are on the list, had even 2 of them, and they still dare to tell they are innocent.
I wish these bans would be worked on, and the rules been checked if this is the right way and right toward honest people, to let them come back in the game with a new account, and remaining even after people has recognized banned players in those accounts.
Today really was a day when -20 Rank ships reached Mizar with a starter ship, just sitting in orbit letting clanmates do the missions for them, probably they will reach SOL tomorrow with a rank below 20.
So we have only to look and guess who they are, not too hard.
You who return to the game doing this, you know who you are, and be aware of, you will never gain the respect from other players what you once had before people knew you took advantages over them for to show how "good" and "great" players you are, and wanted to have all so easy.
I think I have let out what I had in my heart, still in chock, and so very very disappointed and sad.
Well all I will say is good, I for one am really please that the CHEATS have been banned
As for GM's knowing what went on in the past, come on get a grip, from their own post in here, their behaviour in the game, their integrity is beyond questioning, those whom are using hearsay, be careful because an assumption just makes an .... out of u.
I'm pleased that finally the devs and gm's have gone in hard, have evidence to back their claims and are also showing integrity by not posting said evidence, yep I bet they are feeling smug, good result for the hard work.
as for claims of being able to collect 100,000 crystals in a 24 hour period, do you realise that's approx 69 crystal a minute....................... I would suggest that this would be impossible, please feel free at anytime in game to prove me wrong, I'll join a squad or watch in game. And I would suggest that this hints of cheating but if I'm proved wrong I will retract and apologise.
As the previous poster has put, the majority of us have worked very hard to grind out what we have, paid good money too and yep have had help from clans etc etc and are pleased that the CHEATERS have been banned
Goodbye to the rubbish is how i feel, and well done to the GM's and thank you
As for GM's knowing what went on in the past, come on get a grip, from their own post in here, their behaviour in the game, their integrity is beyond questioning, those whom are using hearsay, be careful because an assumption just makes an .... out of u.
I'm pleased that finally the devs and gm's have gone in hard, have evidence to back their claims and are also showing integrity by not posting said evidence, yep I bet they are feeling smug, good result for the hard work.
as for claims of being able to collect 100,000 crystals in a 24 hour period, do you realise that's approx 69 crystal a minute....................... I would suggest that this would be impossible, please feel free at anytime in game to prove me wrong, I'll join a squad or watch in game. And I would suggest that this hints of cheating but if I'm proved wrong I will retract and apologise.
As the previous poster has put, the majority of us have worked very hard to grind out what we have, paid good money too and yep have had help from clans etc etc and are pleased that the CHEATERS have been banned
Goodbye to the rubbish is how i feel, and well done to the GM's and thank you
S
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they are not banned!! only there account is banned.
and im very insulted by this coz these same cheaters hang in orbit of gemini n mizar in a level1 ship while the missions are being done for them.
soon they be at there old level again..
first get to sol n then start levelling is what they doing.. in the meanwhile u dont buy a ship n save all mission cry for last system ship
i worked my behind off in this game for the little that i got and i have to watch how these cheaters just can continue playing pg.
also the clans who hold these cheaters have no respect for the other players in the game who play without cheating.
so "Hammers" and "MOD" are now the harbors for the cheaters n their friends.
im not content with how this all is delt with.
and the joy of the game is slowly dissappearing coz of the lack of true justice.
this topic is closed n opened a million times while my topic is closed and they have not even the decency to have a talk with.. they just replied to my topic n closed it without any option for me to reply.
things like that makes me feel that they dont care about fair game.. they dont care about their players.
as long as the money comes in they will offer half *** solutions to the problems this game has.
apparently they dont want their players support and build a good fair gaming community..
so lets all corrupt and be the pirate they want us to be..
noobkilling/bp/cry stealing/cheating who gives anything about it..
they dont even though they pretend they do.. otherwise solutions would already be implented.
like: - when u on vega in a higher class ship or with higher tech on it u cannot switch on PM
- first who shoot mantis gets bp/cry and only can see it.
- an anti cheat system that works... why not talk to companies like punkbuster for some good anti cheat solutions
why can i come up with these solutions and the game itself seems to be something like a blindfolded retard.
im not happy.. and seeing these cheaters fly again is a thorn in the eye
SS knowing who they are n letting them go ahead with this is a stab in the gamer's heart.
this how i feel.. but how we feel dont matter.. only how they feel and that in my eyes is measured by how big last month's stacks are in the bank.
i dare SS to have a open talk with the players for once.. without them treatning with their authority when things get said they dont want to hear.
and then they can explain what their visions on their game is without silencing elements out.
as long as they not honest n open you cant expect the game community to be honest
and im very insulted by this coz these same cheaters hang in orbit of gemini n mizar in a level1 ship while the missions are being done for them.
soon they be at there old level again..
first get to sol n then start levelling is what they doing.. in the meanwhile u dont buy a ship n save all mission cry for last system ship
i worked my behind off in this game for the little that i got and i have to watch how these cheaters just can continue playing pg.
also the clans who hold these cheaters have no respect for the other players in the game who play without cheating.
so "Hammers" and "MOD" are now the harbors for the cheaters n their friends.
im not content with how this all is delt with.
and the joy of the game is slowly dissappearing coz of the lack of true justice.
this topic is closed n opened a million times while my topic is closed and they have not even the decency to have a talk with.. they just replied to my topic n closed it without any option for me to reply.
things like that makes me feel that they dont care about fair game.. they dont care about their players.
as long as the money comes in they will offer half *** solutions to the problems this game has.
apparently they dont want their players support and build a good fair gaming community..
so lets all corrupt and be the pirate they want us to be..
noobkilling/bp/cry stealing/cheating who gives anything about it..
they dont even though they pretend they do.. otherwise solutions would already be implented.
like: - when u on vega in a higher class ship or with higher tech on it u cannot switch on PM
- first who shoot mantis gets bp/cry and only can see it.
- an anti cheat system that works... why not talk to companies like punkbuster for some good anti cheat solutions
why can i come up with these solutions and the game itself seems to be something like a blindfolded retard.
im not happy.. and seeing these cheaters fly again is a thorn in the eye
SS knowing who they are n letting them go ahead with this is a stab in the gamer's heart.
this how i feel.. but how we feel dont matter.. only how they feel and that in my eyes is measured by how big last month's stacks are in the bank.
i dare SS to have a open talk with the players for once.. without them treatning with their authority when things get said they dont want to hear.
and then they can explain what their visions on their game is without silencing elements out.
as long as they not honest n open you cant expect the game community to be honest
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Hey,
Shooey 69 crystals is easy. Shoot a harv on molikar 3 times, 200 crystals a good percentage of the time. Rocket the interceptors, more easy crystals. If you don't collect e you can easily go above 100k if you grind 24 hours solid lol.
Shooey 69 crystals is easy. Shoot a harv on molikar 3 times, 200 crystals a good percentage of the time. Rocket the interceptors, more easy crystals. If you don't collect e you can easily go above 100k if you grind 24 hours solid lol.
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