I'm Getting Frustrated Again . . .

[datajam]

Seriously Folks, Some Of This Stuff Needs Fixing,

Does it bother anybody else that in one second a Pilot can lose 1500 and higher cry by being podded . . . But, nowhere in the game can a player collect that much cry anywhere near as fast?

Does it bother anybody else that clans cannot participate in Conquests because they cannot acquire log files and/or submit log files in sufficient numbers to do so, without having to pay for it? I believe this was intended to prevent single large clans from taking all the CQ Planets . . . but has however prevented participation by many clans.

Does it bother anybody else that ship prices have reached such an exorbitant level, that the grind has removed the fun from the game? While cry droppage has been decreased? While cry values have not fairly increased at the same percentage as ship pricing has?

Does it bother anybody else that the senior players of the game played a completely different game than the rest are playing . . . yet we all are rated under the same acheivement system? Or, as a senior player having allready performed the tasks and not been given credit for it?

and, Does it bother anybody else that the game as it evolves changes the game for the older systems as well as the newer systems, making it much more difficult for the noob players? Wouldn't it make more sense to only add the new system with the difficulty level that comes with it than increasing the difficulty for lower systems at the same time? The game needs noobs that do not find the game too hard to play from the start, doesn't it?

Okay, that's my rag for the month . . .

datajam/WRichards

 

[ichor]

well said

 

[Caribou71]

i'll answer some of your rants!

first of all you loose cry when pod because they want you to buy cry protection...simple no?

about CQ, simple too, they tried to get rid of pseudo clan to have more CQ ship and defeat everyone with this...let's say you have 3 clan in an alliance...they have like 15 players each at the CQ...they figth against 5-6 clans....what they do is...they create 2-3 small clan and buy CQ ship...this way they dont have 3 CQ ship...but 6 to figth against the other clans...i have seen that too often on the french server..i guess its the same everywhere....with the log files, you cant do that...only active clans can go to CQ.

high price for Draco is simple to explain, they want to slow down higher players before the next system.

its not more difficult for the new player to play the game...they didnt know the old system...and they are used to it rigth away.

enjoy the new game

 

[blut]

i agree with caribou, the game is getting harder each system and thats the game, it may not become too easy then i would be more boring

 

[godman]

Since Draconis got out every system has been getting harder like, u can't even get a antares ship from the mission reward from vega because u need 1,8k to buy an Antares ship.... just to high, many players leave because that it takes to much grinding to get it....

 

[Caribou71]

well the probleme is more like...they dont like to grind...and they dont like gold hunting...they want it rigth away...thats means its not for them...simple.

doing SM is just a little part of that game...most of the time is grinding and BP hunt..if you dont like that...i suggest you find another game.

and please stop telling that we need less parts for BP, less parts means less time to find it....and much more people on harvs everywhere....its already hard to find harv at the moment...imagine if everyone can find the BP twice faster???

reduce the cost of BP in Draco would be nice...but again..they want to slow us down...i understand that..but dont like it much

 

[Mizar]

atleast reduce the cost of draconis ships and bps



Please do not use my font color for your posts Mizar.

Lead Forum Moderator
Adrana

 

[lance]

well the probleme is more like...they dont like to grind...and they dont like gold hunting...they want it rigth away...thats means its not for them...simple.

doing SM is just a little part of that game...most of the time is grinding and BP hunt..if you dont like that...i suggest you find another game.

and please stop telling that we need less parts for BP, less parts means less time to find it....and much more people on harvs everywhere....its already hard to find harv at the moment...imagine if everyone can find the BP twice faster???

reduce the cost of BP in Draco would be nice...but again..they want to slow us down...i understand that..but dont like it much

wow, two posts and I already don't like you.

Basically what your saying is that you want everyone to be screwed over and never find their bps so you can grind that harvs by urself. What a team player you are. You every heard of empathy?

SM is not a little part of the game, it used to be, but since the rest of the game was ruined its the only part that is actually fun. (Sometimes).

The problem is that you shouldn't force new players to grind at the very beginning of the game, when they have barely experienced the "fun" (note the deliberate sarcastic quotation marks) of the game later on. They are so new to the game by that point they may as well just go of and find something more entertaining to play. Its not their fault, its just that the game doesn't drag you in as much as it used to.

As good as the new Vega system is, there is no excuse for forcing new players to grind a ridiculous amount of cryonite in order to progress.

You appear to be the classic high level player who assumes that everyone plays as much and can spend as much time and money on the game as you do. Some of us don't have enough spare time to grind 20-30k a day to get a draconis or sol ship. If you only get lets say 5-10k a day its gonna take far too long to get your next ship, so you may as well find another game to play.

Some of us just enjoy playing the game without a specific objective... I don't know if you were around for the clan wars no earth on askone, but those were awesome and no-one made us do it. It was just the community having some fun, the opportunity of which was taken away by "slowing us down". All that seems to happen now is everyone grinds or helps each-other with sm's... No pvps or clan wars or any of it....

What made the game fun in the past was the fact that so many people had finished it, and so could make objectives for themselves without the game having to do it for them. It was only due to the minority OCD players (obsessive completion disorder) who wanted more systems the day the next one came out that they were forced to make more systems and slow them down, but in turn annoyed all the players who played for fun, rather than to complete everything.

 

[datajam]

Icenfero, Finally Someone That Gets It!

And THANK YOU for doing so. I thought I was alone in the PG Universe until now. Actually, I know better, but to this thread you are the only one that actually addresses the original topic.

Maybe I'm just "stuck on stupid" and cannot see the noobs frolicking and having fun in the game, If I am it's probably due to the fact that I preesently spend 90% of my time in game, GRINDING! I hate grinding, I hate grinding, I HATE GRINDING! I'm tired of spending a small fortune to spend a small fortune, as well as a required exorbitant amount of my player time devoted to not enjoying the game. One of the problems that troubles me the most is that those at the top the top that do not have issue with the game being slowed so dramatically, do not have issue because they are not playing the same game the rest of us are. When they went through Anteres, cry drops were much more lucrative, Engineer Ships from upper levels were able to assist their upward progression, the level you were playing in provided enough cry to rank you up into the next higher level, and the next level ships did not require weeks of grinding to acquire.

Sure, we have worked a way to bring the noobs up bit by bit. But, are we having fun. Not like we used to! This game used to rock! And, we all had a great time. We are not having that kind of fun anymore.

I listened (observed) a youngster argue himself right out of his clan the other day. Because he wanted to have fun instead of the non-stop grind. And, I feel for the kid. The game is supposed to be fun. And, it's supposed to be fun for kids, adults that aren't the "top gun" and, the Top Gun types too. Now the fun in the game appears to be the ability to hang with your "on-line friends" while grinding away hoping to acheive 100k a day.

Man, if we could only turn back the clock for one day to the play of a few yesterdays ago . . . we'd show em how much fun this game really was . . .


datajam/WRichards

 

[Avenged]

Hit the nail on the head Datajam

 

[godman]

Icenfero, Finally Someone That Gets It!

And THANK YOU for doing so. I thought I was alone in the PG Universe until now. Actually, I know better, but to this thread you are the only one that actually addresses the original topic.

Maybe I'm just "stuck on stupid" and cannot see the noobs frolicking and having fun in the game, If I am it's probably due to the fact that I preesently spend 90% of my time in game, GRINDING! I hate grinding, I hate grinding, I HATE GRINDING! I'm tired of spending a small fortune to spend a small fortune, as well as a required exorbitant amount of my player time devoted to not enjoying the game. One of the problems that troubles me the most is that those at the top the top that do not have issue with the game being slowed so dramatically, do not have issue because they are not playing the same game the rest of us are. When they went through Anteres, cry drops were much more lucrative, Engineer Ships from upper levels were able to assist their upward progression, the level you were playing in provided enough cry to rank you up into the next higher level, and the next level ships did not require weeks of grinding to acquire.

Sure, we have worked a way to bring the noobs up bit by bit. But, are we having fun. Not like we used to! This game used to rock! And, we all had a great time. We are not having that kind of fun anymore.

I listened (observed) a youngster argue himself right out of his clan the other day. Because he wanted to have fun instead of the non-stop grind. And, I feel for the kid. The game is supposed to be fun. And, it's supposed to be fun for kids, adults that aren't the "top gun" and, the Top Gun types too. Now the fun in the game appears to be the ability to hang with your "on-line friends" while grinding away hoping to acheive 100k a day.

Man, if we could only turn back the clock for one day to the play of a few yesterdays ago . . . we'd show em how much fun this game really was . . .


datajam/WRichards

I can't say how much i agree with you to turn the clock back about 1½ years,Thats when this game was fun...where you could get a ship without grinding weeks and weeks for it,Right now i need 400k cry for my Draconis ship and i got 70k and make about 10-15k a day, at this rate its gonna take me a month to have a fully fitted Draconis ship,and thats not fun having to grind a month or two just to get a simple ship...This game isnt fun anymore!!!

 

[Draka]

Maybe I'm just "stuck on stupid" and cannot see the noobs frolicking and having fun in the game, If I am it's probably due to the fact that I preesently spend 90% of my time in game, GRINDING! I hate grinding, I hate grinding, I HATE GRINDING! I'm tired of spending a small fortune to spend a small fortune, as well as a required exorbitant amount of my player time devoted to not enjoying the game. One of the problems that troubles me the most is that those at the top the top that do not have issue with the game being slowed so dramatically, do not have issue because they are not playing the same game the rest of us are. When they went through Anteres, cry drops were much more lucrative, Engineer Ships from upper levels were able to assist their upward progression, the level you were playing in provided enough cry to rank you up into the next higher level, and the next level ships did not require weeks of grinding to acquire.

I had the same feeling "stuck on stupid". Never had really to grind until draconis came out (I really hate grinding), ok i didn't had all the best Bp's, but good enough to play pvp's, clan fights and so on. I understand some players want to have all achievments,and all best ships, for me i played the game for having fun after work and see some friends online but not working again (grinding feels like that). I remember the day's were i did some missions, help a few and afterwards we had some big fights, it was really entertaining. Or go to cq with a sq and hunt some reds (it wasn't about winning the cq, but chasing eachother and seeing who got the most kill's). So yeah i used boosters (payed alot for this game), but not for lvl'ng just for having fun without spending my time on grinding. But now it's just a grinding game noone seems to have time to do something else. You pay for grinding, sry no more for me so i stopped few weeks ago, maybe i play back when some things change. But then again i discovered another game where i have the same feeling once i had whith pg.

draka,

ex pg fan.

 

[Caribou71]

well lance because you dont like what i think you dont like me....well m8 you probably hate a lot of people...we all have our idea about everything

i read the last couple of post...everyone agree that they dont like grinding....if i follow the suggestion before to reduce the number of BP needed...thats mean you will find all the BP faster....and do more time grinding...does it make sense?

on the other way, reduce the cost of drac ships and BP, i always said it was too high....i just said that SS want that because they want to slow us down....i dont like that either.

Lance, did you ever see me grind Harvs?..i really dont like it either....i prefer gold hunting...and take the cryo it give me when doing that....dont say im a self player who want all the harv....i dont do much harvs ...you dont even know me...how i help clan m8 and such...dont say something about somenone when you dont know him.....by the way i never said something about your game...because i dont know

 

[Raider1968]

Hopefully i'm not getting off topic, i don't know what the old game was like because i'm a newish player but i do find this a very frustrating game, i enjoyed vega and antares, was enjoying gemini, trying sms on my own in my fusion storm then realising some i needed an engi for, then decided i wanted a tank aswell so i decided to grind. I don't mind grinding for cry or bps, even rare ones, that's part of what i enjoyed about the game but the other day i was grinding harvs, selected 1, before i got a shot off the harv was gone, taken out with 1 shot by a lvl 75, then that same lvl 75 took out the rest of the harvesters. I've given up grinding harvs because i've seen it too much now, high lvl players taking em all.

I'm not enjoying the game and i know, if i don't enjoy it don't play it but the point i'm trying to make is if the game can put me off at the 3rd system how many other players has it put off playing, i would spend money on this game if it was more enjoyable but i wont because i don't see this as a long term game for me to play.

I don't give up playing games easily, i played another online space game for close on 3 years, i quit that 1 because they made it so u had to spend to get anywhere in the game, a few players also quit and came here.

Sorry i had so much more i wanted to say but i was gonna go off topic in a big way lol.

 

[destroya]

Viva Revolutiona(i dont know what that means), Draconis prices must go down.

 

[destroya]

Hopefully i'm not getting off topic, i don't know what the old game was like because i'm a newish player but i do find this a very frustrating game, i enjoyed vega and antares, was enjoying gemini, trying sms on my own in my fusion storm then realising some i needed an engi for, then decided i wanted a tank aswell so i decided to grind. I don't mind grinding for cry or bps, even rare ones, that's part of what i enjoyed about the game but the other day i was grinding harvs, selected 1, before i got a shot off the harv was gone, taken out with 1 shot by a lvl 75, then that same lvl 75 took out the rest of the harvesters. I've given up grinding harvs because i've seen it too much now, high lvl players taking em all.

I'm not enjoying the game and i know, if i don't enjoy it don't play it but the point i'm trying to make is if the game can put me off at the 3rd system how many other players has it put off playing, i would spend money on this game if it was more enjoyable but i wont because i don't see this as a long term game for me to play.

I don't give up playing games easily, i played another online space game for close on 3 years, i quit that 1 because they made it so u had to spend to get anywhere in the game, a few players also quit and came here.

Sorry i had so much more i wanted to say but i was gonna go off topic in a big way lol.

Raider1968, for once I agree with you. I spent 1 year (i.e 365 days ) on Gemini sm's, and for grinding and getting a good ship. And NOW IM STUCK AGAIN ON 'US AND THEM' sm on Sol.
Soz if I went off topic.

 

[Death-Hunter]

that sm is actually kinda easy

 

[destroya]

that sm is actually kinda easy

perhaps you could help me then...

 

[lance]

well lance because you dont like what i think you dont like me....well m8 you probably hate a lot of people...we all have our idea about everything

i read the last couple of post...everyone agree that they dont like grinding....if i follow the suggestion before to reduce the number of BP needed...thats mean you will find all the BP faster....and do more time grinding...does it make sense?

on the other way, reduce the cost of drac ships and BP, i always said it was too high....i just said that SS want that because they want to slow us down....i dont like that either.

Lance, did you ever see me grind Harvs?..i really dont like it either....i prefer gold hunting...and take the cryo it give me when doing that....dont say im a self player who want all the harv....i dont do much harvs ...you dont even know me...how i help clan m8 and such...dont say something about somenone when you dont know him.....by the way i never said something about your game...because i dont know

well, let me correct myself, i dislike what you stand for. But im not going to rant at you because i have been giving another warning for "staff abuse" , (that's what comes of being right when arguing with a gm lol).

the thing is, bp hunting IS grinding.... no matter what you are trying to do in this game now you still have to grind for it, whether its levels, cryonite, bps, cqs, even energy without a membership. There is now no aspect of this game that can be played without grinding... How is it even still classified as a game? Its just a grind.

The game was ruined by the people who kept requesting new stuff because they played through the rest too fast... They got their new stuff, and a load of restrictions and achievements to stop them finishing it. Now they, and the rest of the community (Yes, i speak for the majority of people here, irrelevant of what your own opinions are on how many people are not happy with the new restrictions etc.) are unhappy with the game.

To all those people who find fun in completing things as fast as possible: Don't complain! This is what happens when you do, I have seen it happen on other games as well....

However, you were lucky if you saw this post, because I will be banned shortly due to me speaking my mind.

 

[WRAITH1]

(guess wht servers down again, may aswell read /post on forums.lol)

i agree the game is defectively set up it does not include even basics of any other "normal" game, doesnt have bosses (were some eggs i liked but limited time) no real pvp (gms say pvp is player shooting at player, i say u need a reason to even do tht) and not even any minigames (just the new wms are maybe acceptable for few hours gameplay extra)

i dont agree with people like this "animal" tht posted before tht are like "if u dont like it get lost" attitude and everything is ok in the game. some of us like parts of the game and saw future in it even from beta phase. many just give up trying to b heard but some still have hopes.
i dont find it ok to put those down as those are the backbone of many online games cause they usually stay "loyal" and even by posting a silly opinion they contribute to the comunity.
but i guess if a company focuses on kids tht grabs their mom credit cards when shes not looking (lol) its their choice to do so. but each player type has advantages and disadvantages for game comunity and future. some get bored and hop to other games some sty forever no matter if game goes under.
i for one disliked from the beginning tht game steers in clan only to partake in all game has to offer . the new player doesnt get a chance to admire all game parameters to decide to stay on (but then maybe the games too croWded anyway and the plan is to diminish the numbers .lol)
and btw its my own fault for sticking around even if a game doesnt want me anymore cause it doesnt work on being entertaining but i dont think it akes my opinion less valid.

anyways enjoy wht and when u can and respect others opinions cause ur not an a dvd game playing alone on ur pc.
and a hearty "ugh, ugh!" to the rest of lab monkeys clicking for bananas from dusk til dawn... :mrorange:
and never forget as long as u still log into the game ur supporting it , defective or not.