"Hopeful Products Presents" Offline Energy Regen

[insomniac]

ok then it's too low imo 14k per day for 50k + cap is not sufficient enough.. and had totally no logic to it.
but on the other side 14k is twice the original cap but that is only satisfieing when ur cap IS 7k..
it gives no satisfaction when ur cap is 50k+..

thats all im saying

Sir-vivol, you're still missing the point. It's not about whether it's sufficient enough or not, it's a money thing!! SS is already giving out free e (see calculations in my last post) and you're now claiming you want more for free?
Secondly, since the regeneration is based upon e-cap you won't be getting 14K a day with a 7K e-cap (remember that the e-cap is enhanced by membership (x2, x4 or x8, depending on membership) The same goes for the regeneration. So with a standard membership the e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x2, with enhanced membership the e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x4 and with elite membership e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x8.

If you have a membership that's giving 2x Experience per kill, 2x Cryonite, Increased drop rate of Blueprints, free customization, increased clan size, increased friends list, increased speed, and there's no Cryonite loss when you die, would it REALLY be unfair to give the free players Offline Energy Regeneration?

Because I for one, hate blue balls.

What are you going on about Vossler
Membership does not include xp boost, cry boost, bp boost, speed boost or cry protection. Those are all secondary options, for which you must pay additionally (and they are not cheap!!)

Membership only includes e regeneration, free customization and increased clan and buddylist size.
I think the F2P players are still missing one very important point here. We (paying customers) are paying for the e regeneration. So why should you get it for free?

Insomniac

In case anybody's wondering, no I don't work for splitscreen^^

 

[sir-vivol]

Sir-vivol, you're still missing the point. It's not about whether it's sufficient enough or not, it's a money thing!! SS is already giving out free e (see calculations in my last post) and you're now claiming you want more for free?
Secondly, since the regeneration is based upon e-cap you won't be getting 14K a day with a 7K e-cap (remember that the e-cap is enhanced by membership (x2, x4 or x8, depending on membership) The same goes for the regeneration. So with a standard membership the e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x2, with enhanced membership the e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x4 and with elite membership e regeneration is based upon normal e-cap x8.

u are not getting what im saying..
even with different regeneration for different levels is too low.

free?
where?

last time i checked i PAYED for my membership but if u get free e somehow then either u are hacking or u know something i dont..
nothing is for free in this game.<as the same in life>

does it feel we get out money's worth for the price we pay ?

like i said the memberships are lacking a bit.. so to answer my question above: NO.
we get just enough to buy it, is it a good deal.. barely.
if i pay for a 50k cap shouldnt i get an regeneration that fits the cap?
and that is not 3.5 day to fill up the cap without playing.

i got what u were saying u just didnt get my point.
nothings for free.. u think SS would have got their 3 awards if this was a pay to play game?
coz it is free to play the game is allowed to have bugs n still be in devellopment..
if this was a pay to play game the judgement would totally different.

let me put it to you like this.
if u have a prototype car that u can drive for free but it's a bit buggy <not a buggy> so every 2 weeks u have to bring back to the garage to fix it,it is less worse then if u had to buy the car and it would be broke every 2 weeks.
now u have the car for free but u paid for an optional aircondition.. but the thing is not cooling proper and half the time u are sitting in a clammy car.. it helps coz outside is hot as lava but still it's not satifactory.
that are the memberships in PG.

hope u get my drift here.

 

[retro]

Sir-vivol, no amount of energy addition will satisfy you. The only way you would even vaguely be satisfied is if the membership includes nightly lap dances from hot German, 6 foot tall blonds. ^^

please please pleas put this into the membership delloda mate

 

[sir-vivol]

ok but can i return the 6 blondes n get a plane ticket to sweden instead?

^^

 

[Vossler]

I could have sworn it said under the "Elite Membership" tab, that you would get all of the benefits that I listed. If you have to pay individually....ow dude.

Which reminds me, what's with the different levels of Membership? Different benefit packages that get better when you pay more?

 

[insomniac]

standard membership increases e-cap x2, buddylist to 100 and clan to 40
enhanced membership increases e-cap x4, buddylist to 150 and clan to 50
elite membership increases e-cap x8, buddylist to 250 and clan to 60

and since e regeneration is based upon e-cap, the higher the membership, the higher the e regeneration...

insomniac

 

[Vossler]

So membership doesn't include those Boosters that I saw earlier? My bad.

 

[Delloda]

nothings for free.. u think SS would have got their 3 awards if this was a pay to play game? coz it is free to play the game is allowed to have bugs n still be in development..
if this was a pay to play game the judgement would totally different.

Again you talk without proper research and facts. The awards we got are nothing to do with the fact we are free to play.

Let me educate you on this. Free to play and pay to play are not indicators of quality of a game. They are business models that are used to generate revenue.

In pay to play games, you pay a monthly recurring subscription which is usually the only payment you give. This model works if you have a large user base to generate enough revenue to continue development. Suitable for hardcore gamers who like to play many hour a day. Prime example is WOW. But even they are incorporating some micro transaction features into it.

In free to play games, you are not required to pay a monthly subscription to play effectively but if you want to play hardcore you either have to work a little harder or use micro transactions to buy items that can speed up your advancement or pay for a recurring membership to will increase your productivity in the game. Suitable for a smaller player base.

In all MMO's free to play AND pay to play, there are always many bugs and they are being continually patch. WOW, Aion and lineage 2, the three biggest pay to play games are no exception. They patch mostly on a weekly basis. MMO's are extremely complex library of code: yes if the amount of code written was to be printed out, it would probably overfill an entire library building.

The 3 awards that we won are for Best presentation for a browser game 2009, Best Browser action game 2009 and the German game developer award in 2009. you can see the flyers in the front page of our corporate website http://www.splitscreenstudios.com/

Sir-vivol please in future, do some proper research and back up what you say with fact, relevant proof or at least some logic. People don't need to know your opinions if they are unsubstantiated or clearly wrong since they are not based on factual knowledge.

We want to read properly researched arguments not imagination conjured brain-spew.

And you need to come to Germany on Vacation sometime because German girls are HOT! ^^

 

[sir-vivol]

delloda im ur neibhor.. we get all ur german girls here every holiday here..

so u think that if this was a pay to play game and u had to pay let's say 200 euro's a month that the judgement on this game wouldne be different?
coz if it's pay to play there is an expectation to the amount u play <conciously and if not sub conciously that would still be a great factor> no matter what the description of the price say..

if u would know a bit of the human psyche u would know that humans cant be objective, no matter what they lie to themselfs..

u form an conclusion on the facts u know.
and if the fact is that u gotta pay 200 euro per month that will be encounted into the judgement.

this is a great game, especially for a free to play but would it be pay to play the judgement would be different coz i would look at what im getting for my money.
expectation would be way high...

i know when i say something on what im basing it..
maybe u shouldnt jump the gun with the deminishing remarks if u dont know what im on about.

as far for logic.. the logic is here above..

salute

 

[Vossler]

One thing that is inspired by a Pay to Play game is this; If there are more features that you can access with further membership, they wouldn't make just any old features "members-only," you'd get the cream of the crop.

One downside that is inspired, is the fact that there will be some unscrupulous players that buy buy and buy anything and everything to make themselves more powerful. Their heightened strengths and Herculean power acts both as an inspiration and as a deterrant depending on the player.

For example

If someone sees a level 50 ship tricked out with an epic paintjob and huge guns, he would see that and think, "I'm gonna get there someday."

At the same time, someone else would see him and say, "Dude that is so unfair. I'm out" These people are commonly known as the "RAGEQUITTERS," that want an equal balance in the game world.


SS can't please the entire crowd, so they go with an alternative mixture.
1) You get to play the best looking browser game written in Java
2) You don't have to pay to play
3) Membership is optional
4) As far as I've seen (Debatable based on experience) free players have access to nearly the same features as non-members. *Cough* Energy Regeneration? *cough*

5) Who the hell has more than 7 friends on their list anyway?

 

[Delloda]

delloda i'm your neighbour.. we get all your German girls here every holiday here..

Hamburg is full of hotties! You should give it a try! ^^ ^^ ^^

so u think that if this was a pay to play game and u had to pay let's say 200 euro's a month that the judgment on this game wouldn't be different? coz if it's pay to play there is an expectation to the amount u play consciously and if not sub consciously that would still be a great factor no matter what the description of the price say.

If u would know a bit of the human psyche u would know that humans cant be objective, no matter what they lie to themselves. U from an conclusion on the facts u know and if the fact is that u gotta pay 200 euro per month that will be counted into the judgment.

this is a great game, especially for a free to play but would it be pay to play the judgment would be different coz i would look at what im getting for my money. expectation would be way high.

Yes, your judgment would be different because if everyone was required to pay 200 euros a month then we would have almost unlimited resources and be able to hire many more programmers to update quicker and create new content. Expectations of a game that requires you to pay are obviously higher. Even so, WOW is a pay to play game and there are arguably as many bugs or more than we have but you should expect that from any MMO and especially of an MMO of such magnitude.

Even non MMO games on modern consoles get internet downloaded patches that fix bugs in games. Most older PS2 games could use a few bugfixing patches but was impossible because there was no medium to deliver it or store it properly. For example, Final Fantasy 12 for the PS2 had a "feature" that if you open a few specific chest early in the game, you would not be able to find the zodiac spear. This is clearly bug and not a feature.

The key point here is "requirement". PG does not require you to pay 200 a month to play it, you only choose to spend money if want to level, xp, find blueprints, etc faster than everyone else. If you don't want to spend money, you have to spend time. And unlike other games, PG is perfectly playable without the need to spend money. Therefore, spending is a choice you make to get ahead of other players or have less time.

i know when i say something on what I'm basing it..
maybe u shouldn't jump the gun with the diminishing remarks if u don't know what I'm on about.

as far for logic.. the logic is here above..

The human condition includes the quest for knowledge. Some people jump to conclusions based on only the "facts" they know, and there is a lot of these people around. Then there are those who come to conclusion from verifying if the "facts" they know are indeed facts and sourcing information to back up that and to augment their arguments with proven facts from others sources as every argument is relative.

I demoting most of your original post to brain spew because it was based on false facts. You were confusing perception with business models. You were confusing the "need" to pay with the "want" to pay.
You clearly didn't know what awards we won or why we won it and based a whole paragraph on deriding our awards. Logic is usually based on true and verified facts. If your facts are wrong, where is the logic?

Almost no computer or console game on the planet can be said to be bug-free. When people say a game is bug free, it's only because they haven't found any yet or no one else has reported them.

 

[Vossler]

lol Delloda wins

 

[sir-vivol]

delloda u forgot that we have voted for the game <awards> so how u gonna wave away what i say while i am one of the judges that made pg get their prizes?

Almost no computer or console game on the planet can be said to be bug-free. When people say a game is bug free, it's only because they haven't found any yet or no one else has reported them.

im not talking about bugs only.. but free to play loweres the expectation instead of a game u buy..
if a bought game had the same problems as pg it wouldnt last long.
i played console and pc games with multiplayer..
NONE HAD SO MANY BUGS AS PG. be honest..

there are plenty games that are running good and have 10% of the problems pg has..

but pc n console games are not the point here.

the attitude of this being the best game ever is a bit out of porportion..

best browser space game <yuh, imo>

but let's not take away the fact that the judgement was made when u could go fullscreen in the browser..
if ppl dont know the gamigo link it's a bit sucky.
u might have best browsergame title but u almost force ppl to download the gameclient..

and then again.. if u are logged in thru bigpoint u cant even log in thru the client.. u need to start the game logged in at bigpoint site.

anyways a lot of new games are on th rise.. instead of prancing around with the awards u better make sure u stay ahead of all the other games that are being develloped as we speak.

I demoting most of your original post to brain spew because it was based on false facts. You were confusing perception with business models. You were confusing the "need" to pay with the "want" to pay.

now u making more of it then i said..

the only statement i made was that if pg was a pay to play game it would be judged different.

dont read more then i have written coz if i mean more i will write it down.

 

[Delloda]

delloda u forgot that we have voted for the game <awards> so how u gonna wave away what i say while i am one of the judges that made pg get their prizes?

Yes our players did help us win the game awards by voting and we are very grateful but if you look at the website, 350,000 voted and it was also judge by an independent jury of peers so the outcome was not only contributed to our players voting. You were not one of the judges but a contributing voter. I have not waved away all of what you say, I am commented on your lack of factual evidence backing up some of your arguments.

I'm not talking about bugs only.. but free to play lowered the expectation instead of a game u buy.. if a bought game had the same problems as pg it wouldn't last long. i played console and pc games with multiplayer. NONE HAD SO MANY BUGS AS PG. be honest. There are plenty games that are running good and have 10% of the problems PG has.. but pc n console games are not the point here.

Yes you are right, it is not the point but again your are confusing a mulitplayer game with massively multiplayer game. Multiplayer games are infinitely easier to code and debug than massively multiplayer since there is many more variable and unforeseen situations. Even multiplayer games like call of duty are patched continually although not at such a constant rate because there are less eternal variables. WOW is patched constantly and full of bugs not because it has not been tested properly but because of the complexity of MMO's that no team no matter how large can aticipate every problem. It is now on patch 3.3.3 and has had literally hundreds of bugfix patches some causing more bugs just like the problems we face.

the attitude of this being the best game ever is a bit out of proportion..

best browser space game <yuh, imo>
Anyways a lot of new games are on the rise.. instead of prancing around with the awards u better make sure u stay ahead of all the other games that are being developed as we speak

There you go again making things up. We have never had this attitude that you describe. We have not mentioned our awards after announcing we won till now when you decided to deride them. I've always had the attitude that PG is not the best game ever but its pretty good but that's my opinion that I have formed from playing many MMO's in my lifetime. We are doing so much more to stay in competition, more than I can tell you.

but let's not take away the fact that the judgement was made when u could go fullscreen in the browser.. if ppl dont know the gamigo link it's a bit sucky. U might have best browsergame title but u almost force ppl to download the gameclient.. and then again.. if u are logged in thru bigpoint u cant even log in thru the client.. u need to start the game logged in at bigpoint site. .

I can think of very few browser games that let you run full screen. The judgement on a browser game award is its ability to running in a browser not full screen. The client was with all its screen settings was a gift to PG players rather than a necessity. The game is developed to run in a browser and the old gamigo link was our way to make the game to run in a popup browser window that could be made kinda fullscreen. You are mistaking that the extra stuff like client and full screen modes that we add are the norm for browser games when they are not. Most of them are unique to pirate galaxy. There are reasons that Bigpoint and Aeria games users have to play through their site. The first being contractual obligation and second is so that they can use the their portal currency to buy gold. Like usual, you are commenting on issues that you do not have the correct information about.

now u making more of it then i said..

the only statement i made was that if pg was a pay to play game it would be judged different.

don't read more then i have written coz if i mean more i will write it down.

I explained to you in my reply, what you are actually talking about from what you have written and why many of your statements were either false, unresearched, underdeveloped or a combination of the above.
The statement quoted above was not the only statement you made. You said that free to play games are allowed to be have bugs in them and be still in development. WOW is still in continual development and have many bugs and patches to fix as the occur.

This is eating into my report writing time, so I'll finish with this. Don't make generalised claims and research your evidence to back up your statements with proper facts that are impossible to refute.

 

[retro]

i have a big nose, thats a fact lol (joke)

 

[Delloda]

i have a big nose, thats a fact lol (joke)

lol ^^ you know what they say about people with big noses? ^^

 

[Slithid]

thats the price of not paying to play. you have to work for everything, including energy.

Oh really? You know how to read the post about how some people don't want to put real money into a fake game for a limited length item? I think the amount of eph (energy per hour) should depend on level. It starts at level 10, and you get 50eph. At level 15 it goes up to 100 eph.
Lvl 20: 150eph
Lvl 25: 200eph
Lvl 30: 250eph
Lvl 35: 300eph
you get the pattern, every 5 levels is 50 more eph.
The memberships would speed it up some fair determined amount.
I think this is a VERY reasonable method.
Maybe to fit your stupid needs of the members get everything useful, You could set the amount of hours you'd be offline then it would not let you log on for that amount of hours.
Example:
So say I'm gettin off cause it's late, I put 8 in for offline hours, then it kicks me. I can't get back on UNTIL that 8 hours is up. Minimum of 3 hours and a max of 24. Limited by energy cap

 

[defacto]

I like this. I really do.

Edit: Or maybe i'm just lazy.