Fleet Conquest Issues (Possible expoit in mechanics)

[-Magellan-]

Hello, Can we have another account on the same server in a different fleet?

On this second account, I collect mining tickets to register the fleet for a conquest with 30 tickets. My main account isn't always there in this second fleet since I regularly switch fleets to participate in conquests.

I've already been banned for 30 days for multi-accounting for registering several small accounts to conduct fleet-to-fleet conquests with a conquest ship (on Trantor, it's very hard to find enough players to do a 5-vs-5). I'm wondering if this is allowed...

The goal here is to progress towards the mining ticket achievement and in no way harm the fleet rankings or block conquests...

The rules should be more specific.

Registering a small account in our fleet at the same time to be able to be 5th, without being logged in at the same time, is not allowed. Can a GM confirm this as well?


*Sorry for my English translation

 

[Alinoe]

I've already been banned for 30 days for multi-accounting for registering several small accounts to conduct fleet-to-fleet conquests with a conquest ship (on Trantor, it's very hard to find enough players to do a 5-vs-5). I'm wondering if this is allowed...

One of the player in our server asked to GM with tickets if we can setup arranged conquest between 2 allied clan for Cryonite and achievement, and the response was basically yes, but they clearly stated that alts account cannot be used to register for CQ even if you truly need a 5th player.

And yeah, CoC should be more specific with multi-account usage.

 

[darklink3]

I'd also like official clarification here.

The CoC clearly states that a physical person being logged into multiple accounts at the same time is disallowed.

Witches of galaxy looks very unsportsmanlike, but from a technical standpoint it doesn't look like they are breaking clearly established rules. If the clan leaderboard (and the game, in a broader scope) is meant to be competitive, we need clear rules to compete with.
Since we had similar issues in the past on trantor, but have not recieved clear ruling on the matter, I'd appreciate answers to the following:

- is it allowed to enlist little accounts that are not playing to reach the 10 player count threshold to be able to play (while being disconnected on main account, no simultaneous connexion)?

- is it allowed to have multiple accounts for the purpose of farming mining tickets for different clans? This doesn't boost warscore gain, but allows much faster progression towards the 1000 tickets achievement.

- is the moderation team meant to enforce CoC to the letter, or may they distribute sanctions for unsportsmanlike behavior too?

Thanks.

 

[Highway]

1. is it allowed to enlist little accounts that are not playing to reach the 10 player count threshold to be able to play (while being disconnected on main account, no simultaneous connexion)?

2. is it allowed to have multiple accounts for the purpose of farming mining tickets for different clans? This doesn't boost warscore gain, but allows much faster progression towards the 1000 tickets achievement.

3. is the moderation team meant to enforce CoC to the letter, or may they distribute sanctions for unsportsmanlike behavior too?

1. That is not allowed as this will also break the CQ system as the spawn rates etc. scale depending the team sizes. I can understand that its frustrating when not enough players are around, but one clan only needs to bring at least 5 players. We can lower the limit like 3vs3. But it would not play well as the minimun to have fun is a full squad (5 players) per clan.

2. No thats also not allowed and dont even make sense for the mining ticket achivement. The mining ticket achvievement counts progress only active players in the CQ match with the amount of clan invested tickets for that single match.

3. Its not enforced by hard measures as the team can not monitor every CQ match that takes place. So mostly when unfair behaivors are reported with clear info it can be investigated further. Best solution here would be that the game mechanics themselves are solid so that such measures are not necessary.

 

[xX-Padron-Xx]

1. That is not allowed as this will also break the CQ system as the spawn rates etc. scale depending the team sizes. I can understand that its frustrating when not enough players are around, but one clan only needs to bring at least 5 players. We can lower the limit like 3vs3. But it would not play well as the minimun to have fun is a full squad (5 players) per clan.

2. No thats also not allowed and dont even make sense for the mining ticket achivement. The mining ticket achvievement counts progress only active players in the CQ match with the amount of clan invested tickets for that single match.

3. Its not enforced by hard measures as the team can not monitor every CQ match that takes place. So mostly when unfair behaivors are reported with clear info it can be investigated further. Best solution here would be that the game mechanics themselves are solid so that such measures are not necessary.

I find this type of information excellent. The best thing is that this is coming to light before the next update on conquests and the use of skulls. This will help you get ahead of the game and clarify what is and isn't allowed when paying for a conquest and participating in it.

Very few have read the code of conduct, but I understand that having more than one account on a server is not allowed. If the proper use of two or more accounts on the same server is allowed, it should be regulated, and the accounts must be in the same fleet. Likewise, you cannot have more than one active account.

First: with accounts in the same fleet, you cannot organize conquest agreements to activate accounts in different fleets.

Second: you cannot advance the lower account with your same higher-level account.

Third: you cannot increase the number of squadrons in reactors with your secondary accounts.

Fourth: PvP achievements cannot be awarded with your secondary accounts.

If the secondary accounts are in the same fleet, Fleet will be subject to increased scrutiny in attempts at unsportsmanlike activity.

Finally, and very importantly, can you clarify if the use of shared accounts is allowed?

You may be busy with the progress of future updates, but these are things some drivers need to be clear about for future updates. The game will surely continue to advance so everyone has the same opportunities.

Thanks for your attention

 

[-Magellan-]

@Highway


Thank you for your reply.

Would it be possible to remove the 10 vs. 10 limit so that the conquest ship could be used?
The gameplay would be so much more fun and interesting, even in 5 vs. 5.
Haven't there been any conquests on Trantor with a conquest ship in 5 years? See more...

 

[sergi211]

conquest ship is a relic from a far gone era when cq were fun... back in the days there was no limit on fleets and crio was needed to register and also crio as reward.
Now is just a big massive and expensive paperweight

 

[Zeitate]

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[Redthorne]

I can understand that its frustrating when not enough players are around, but one clan only needs to bring at least 5 players. We can lower the limit like 3vs3. But it would not play well as the minimun to have fun is a full squad (5 players) per clan.

Here we can barely get 5v5 going by having all pvp players move into 2 specific clans for organized CQ... 3v3 wont fix anything I agree, only way to bring more ppl is to make it more attractive with more cryo/gravs/whatever. I pray that skulls will change that.
Or, as I suggested many times over the years, give a default reward when there is lack of opposition, maybe some ppl will wake up...

2. No thats also not allowed and dont even make sense for the mining ticket achivement. The mining ticket achvievement counts progress only active players in the CQ match with the amount of clan invested tickets for that single match.

You're missing a step here, the small accounts farm tickets for dummy clans, then these clans register to CQ with high MT usage, and then main accounts move from clan to clan to reap the ticket usage for themselves

Would it be possible to remove the 10 vs. 10 limit so that the conquest ship could be used?
The gameplay would be so much more fun and interesting, even in 5 vs. 5.
Haven't there been any conquests on Trantor with a conquest ship in 5 years? See more...

CQ ship in 5v5 would ruin an already barely fun CQ. Sure you can progress achievements but it's gonna be boring. As always the solution is to attract more ppl.

 

[Highway]

We also hope that when the gold skulls getting important that competition raises so that clan CQ will happen more often. As it will be a powerfull way to gain skulls through Clan CQ. (OTB will not give clans WS anymore as it goes to the player instead)

You're missing a step here, the small accounts farm tickets for dummy clans, then these clans register to CQ with high MT usage, and then main accounts move from clan to clan to reap the ticket usage for themselves

the MT acheivement only counts for active playes that played the CQ match. Dont see how fake clans help here as they dont gain anything compared doing it in their proper clan.

 

[H.Mago.De.Oz.H]

@Highway


Thank you for your reply.

Would it be possible to remove the 10 vs. 10 limit so that the conquest ship could be used?
The gameplay would be so much more fun and interesting, even in 5 vs. 5.
Haven't there been any conquests on Trantor with a conquest ship in 5 years? See more...

If there are problems with players on Traton, why not simply start the idea of a global server for everyone, with a general chat separated by language according to what each player selects in settings?
It’s already been proven that ping is compatible for everyone when the test server is opened.

 

[-Magellan-]

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I would love to join your server with my Trantor account.

 

[-Magellan-]

We also hope that when the gold skulls getting important that competition raises so that clan CQ will happen more often. As it will be a powerfull way to gain skulls through Clan CQ. (OTB will not give clans WS anymore as it goes to the player instead)



the MT acheivement only counts for active playes that played the CQ match. Dont see how fake clans help here as they dont gain anything compared doing it in their proper clan.

A fake clan will collect one mining ticket per day with a small account, and as soon as there are 30 tickets, they register the fleet for a conquest. Then, players who want to advance the "mining ticket" achievement can join the fleet in question for a bonus of 30.

I don't think it affects the rankings. Is this allowed?

 

[Redthorne]

he MT acheivement only counts for active playes that played the CQ match. Dont see how fake clans help here as they dont gain anything compared doing it in their proper clan.

To expand on what Magellan already said, let me draw an example:
1 player has 10 secondary accounts in 10 fake clans.
These 10 accounts get their daily ticket for their respective clans.
When a fake clan reaches 30 tickets, it registers for CQ, that player and his buddies join that clan to play the CQ and get +30 towards their achievements.
3 days later when clan restriction is over, another fake clan has reached 30 tickets and registered to CQ, player and buddies move to that clan, play CQ, get +30 for achievement.
Rinse and repeat, you gain 30/3=10 tickets per day on average instead of only one by staying in a single clan.