Final call for Dev's to change something!

[LordCougar]

As I said, they dont read feedback nor do they respond or even care

It is not about care or not mate. It's about possibilities......................

Its only your interpretation, game is almost completely dead, which means that you are wrong. PPL are paying for this game so we arent interested in their possibilities, for us its only excuse.
They don't develop this game, its hard to call what they do in terms of progress especially when in my achievement list i see entry Tau Ceti Explorer 2013-06-04. For almost 7 years they haven't finished this system, seems its not so easy to finish it like you said, or they just do shit as claims other ppl.

Since sol they completely ignoring what ppl want, the only changes they made was to slow ppl down by developing stupid restrictions, something what ppl never wanted, even would say against ppl will.
True is they took back from this game/us what was the best - freedom, cooperation, reason and need/will to help players to build clans, satisfaction from progressing in game(they blocked use of our better stuff everywhere or introduce penalties/restrictions/more grinding) etc..
Sirius was the biggest crap - need to wait till they give us opportunity to drop what we needed, which practically means/forced us to wait like fraking idiots to be able to play. How long we were waited to drop Myst bps LOL?? I still dont have it.
Do they think, ppl will now do the same shit, waiting how long ??? to be able do decrypt TC bps ??, not mentioning to return to systems from 10 years ago to be able to use bp from higher systems they drop years ago ?.
It havent work in times when there still were ppl in game and systems were almost full of life, but ppl started to abandon this game due shit they stardted to do. Do they think new players will today play with even worse restrictions/limitations, playing in systems alone doing sm which arent prepared for introduced changes, alone being forced to hunt in empty systems forever to gain ...... where is the fun ??.

There has left not so mych fun in this game anymore, only for last maniacs living with hope for good changes and mostly in the name of good memories from times before legendary (total shit) updates after sol.

They only thing we needed in this game was good reward for doing CQ (eventually, not necessary - new activities), and new content - systems, thats all - what you wrote its easy. We received shitty restrictions and never ending grinding. As i see what they do today, it havent changed, they still are completely ignoring what ppl want. They think ppl will grind forever and play not receiving new activities/content
Its conclusion we can draw after what we analyze their "possibilities" - like you diplomatically call their incompetence.

Raids, hmm with good reward it would be nice mechanics and new activities, but only with proper reward. Its much harder to code this than to code restrictions, or do next system. You will wait for such monster feature for years, and they finally will do it not in terms of playability.


The only good thing i can say, that they newer tried to make from this game true pay to win crap. This would require to use "power creep" mechanics, which require to update game very often with new systems/ships/bp for what they always were to lazy, that would make ppl play in game and pay for bosters , bp, cry etc...
Now even for pay to win is too late, whales - like commonly are called paying players, need cannon fodder to show how good they skill (wallet) is, if not they arent paying , second, if power creep is to big, not paying players are massively quitting.

 

[LordCougar]

are you okay?
Sent: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:49 pm
From: XXXXXXXX
Recipient: LordCougar

can you tell me how you dont even have the myst since it drops 1 time each month????? are you even 91 to talk about how the game is going? because TC system actually have more content than antares and gemini together, just talking with TC1 and TC2, which already are 2 planets with 6 ships (each one with one new skill) and 4 tiers of tech, have you seen the CQ update they are preparing? with cryonite rewards and a lot more changes? before talking about how its the current state of the game, search a little bit, they made several updates in sirius system, with a lot of changes, people can now be with a full account in around 3-4 months, before this was impossible.

I will answer here for PM i received so everything will be clear, its good topic.
So XXXXXX, do you really think normal ppl who want to play for fun will wait 1 month, depends on luck to hunt for some BP ??. I gave Myst bp only as example of something really wanted by ppl, you can have bad luck with any other bp you want/need immediately, and waiting in such situation month its completly not acceptable, even day.
And there are other things, restrictions, limitations in gameplay you havent even mentioned.
You just look like some fanatic, who dont see facts. If those updates you mentioned were so good, ppl woudnt quit this game. Or more precise, if those updates would introduce what ppl wanted, not what wanted to change developers, ppl wouldn't quit.

I will tell you, due to ppl who think like you this game died. Normal players arent NO LIFE and will not sit in game all the time and wait/grind, they come occasionally and want to have pleasure from playing game not endless torment, if not they will quit. Its what has started after they introduced multiple parts bp, and with each next change it was worse mainly worse.

CQ they are preparing/changing since 2011 or 12, so what they show means for me nothing, we all saw so many this crap and promises for so many years, so ppl like me and most of players dont take them seriously. Even if they really finish it, question is after taking in consideration how long they try to create tau ceti, how many years will it take . Its much much more difficult than create new system which they haven't finished for 7 years. USe facts not empty promises they gave us for last 9 years, let them first finish what they havent finished yest.

For you level 91 its required to know something about this game ??.LOL, i will tell you, i play this game since 2010, not so much lately. And like other ppl who started playing here so long ago, we arent kids anymore and our full time job isnt this game, and we exacly know what empty promises means after so many years of experience. What is illusion of doing something ppl offten try to use, we know very good too.

 

[0ptimus Prime]

are you okay?
Sent: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:49 pm
From: XXXXXXXX
Recipient: LordCougar

can you tell me how you dont even have the myst since it drops 1 time each month????? are you even 91 to talk about how the game is going? because TC system actually have more content than antares and gemini together, just talking with TC1 and TC2, which already are 2 planets with 6 ships (each one with one new skill) and 4 tiers of tech, have you seen the CQ update they are preparing? with cryonite rewards and a lot more changes? before talking about how its the current state of the game, search a little bit, they made several updates in sirius system, with a lot of changes, people can now be with a full account in around 3-4 months, before this was impossible.

I will answer here for PM i received so everything will be clear, its good topic.
So XXXXXX, do you really think normal ppl who want to play for fun will wait 1 month, depends on luck to hunt for some BP ??. I gave Myst bp only as example of something really wanted by ppl, you can have bad luck with any other bp you want/need immediately, and waiting in such situation month its completly not acceptable, even day.
And there are other things, restrictions, limitations in gameplay you havent even mentioned.
You just look like some fanatic, who dont see facts. If those updates you mentioned were so good, ppl woudnt quit this game. Or more precise, if those updates would introduce what ppl wanted, not what wanted to change developers, ppl wouldn't quit.

I will tell you, due to ppl who think like you this game died. Normal players arent NO LIFE and will not sit in game all the time and wait/grind, they come occasionally and want to have pleasure from playing game not endless torment, if not they will quit. Its what has started after they introduced multiple parts bp, and with each next change it was worse mainly worse.

CQ they are preparing/changing since 2011 or 12, so what they show means for me nothing, we all saw so many this crap and promises for so many years, so ppl like me and most of players dont take them seriously. Even if they really finish it, question is after taking in consideration how long they try to create tau ceti, how many years will it take . Its much much more difficult than create new system which they haven't finished for 7 years. USe facts not empty promises they gave us for last 9 years, let them first finish what they havent finished yest.

For you level 91 its required to know something about this game ??.LOL, i will tell you, i play this game since 2010, not so much lately. And like other ppl who started playing here so long ago, we arent kids anymore and our full time job isnt this game, and we exacly know what empty promises means after so many years of experience. What is illusion of doing something ppl offten try to use, we know very good too.

Lol preach brutha. Your posts in this thread perfectly encapsulate my own feelings as well as the feelings of so many others. Many of us just don’t speak so candidly as you about it for fear of being banned. I wasn’t even sure I should post anything saying I agree with you but, honestly, I don’t care about consequences at this point.

This game has been ruined and our unfiltered opinions should be heard. The powers that be need a wake up call. This game is dead and may be beyond saving unless they start reversing some of the horrible restrictions they put in place.

 

[Vesperion]

So my "Wall of text for the month" has been done now enjoy it
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As old Vet of the Game (day 1 Pilot here) the "downfall of PG" started somewhere during the time of the release from Drac to Sirius.

The Stable Start
1st of all the prices for ships between each System from Vega - Mizar had a pretty solid pattern of the price increase of x2 to the previous system. Sol was here a bit special cus of the Sol Starter Ships (~x1,25) and Sol Ships (~x1,9). Then the real issue started to happen cus the development of Drac took quite some time + the famous "Parsec incident" that happened during that time as well (the real Vets know what i´m talking about here).

Methas are a greedy race
Then when Drac finally got released the price change was hefty cus from Sol to Drac the prices where x5 to the Sol prices in compare. Some say that Split did this move due of the time it took to develop Drac + during all that time Pilots farmed Cryos out of boredom and started to amass the millions over time.

This pressure is to much: I´m going poof
Then Sirius started to show up and the very 1st Siri System was a real dissapointment considering the JS System and it´s shield so that it would pop at some point no matter what and Gravs did become a recource needed to keep the JS longer alive.

Time to reinfore the hulls finally
After some time Split changed this system so that the JS now only pops if it´s in Orbit of an collapsing planet BUT Siri had the main issue that it gave only 1 R5 Boss (Giza) that spawned only once every 4 hours (and if i remember correctly only droped 1 BP after kill). With the "BB Update" (Big Bang) split changed Sirius again so that R5 now has 3 bosses (Giza, Soris and Amrana) that drop 3 different BPs to increase the chances to get BPs more quickly. The respawn time of the Bosses has been lowered to 15 mins between each kill (Giza is special cus it´s the only boss that can be "summoned" several times after each collection phase)...

Time for some Tale-Tale-Stories
And then came TC... oh boy... was this a failure of a system... the core idea Split had was in theory a great one BUT it had a major flaw... Time... The original Idea of TC was to create a "Player Driven Story" System where Pilots could vote how the next episode would develop and what would unlock with each part (Hangar in Orb, Tech, ships, etc.) BUT in order to vote you had to finish the current Missions. Long story short the Pilots who had access to TC at that time would in theory then have layed down an fixed path where everything is unlocked more or less and following Pilots would then directly have access to this.

Anyhows the other Idea that Split had in mind was to develop 1 Episode/month each time but... well it didn´t really worked out as planed and after the 3rd Episode TC came to an halt and the game was in some sort of stale cus no development/progress or anything has been noticed really and this was the time where Pilots started to look for alternative ways.

The inflation is real
Then at some point the re-release of TC happened and boy... those prices are a hefty one again. An increase of ~x3 in compare to Sirius ships again but considering all the time between old TC and new TC i guess some pilots had already several millions of Cryo on their bank again so it had to be "flushed out somehow". Anyhows the new TC is a system that i like way more cus it much more relies more on group play then solo play.

The "Final Words"
For me it was a break of nearly 6 years until i returned in march 2019 to PG (but mainly my reason was a different one that i didn´t play for that long) and play it again. So a bunch of changes did pass during those 6 years and it impressed me that the game still was alive as well + seeing some of the old pilots still playing it.

The thing with PG is that those who love it continue to play it and support it by spending money (6 month ult mem + cryo vault in my case) cus we see the potential that the game has. It´s just sad that Split seems not to grab the oppertunities that are right in front of them to give us something back from the stuff we suggest or as this thread here is mainly about "Respond to us in some way about planed features they work on".

For me all this PvP/CQ Update is kinda uninteresting cus i´m a PvEler so i have nothing from those changes and again i would rather prefer to have some sort of missions/activities that change daily to have something "working towards to". Achives are more or less useless cus GS (Gold skulls) have more value in the ladder (that again is still in beta since it has been implemented years ago) and only if pilots have the same Skull count the achivepoints start to count.

As i remember it from my old Pilot buddy Rumrunner he even suggested to give Achive points a value by making them a "currency" that could be used to invest in something like an "skill tree" and for each 100 Achive points you gain 1 point to spend in that tree to get some nice passive perks so that it would actually give a reason to go for the achives and not just "get them next by".

As said... the ideas are right in front of PG they just need to take them and work with the community on them. Sure it won´t give the perfect solution to please everyone but it gives always a middleway to go for so that the devs and the playerbase can say "this is a system we can accept".

 

[Fission]

As I have seen how the progress of this thread has evolved, I will give my two cents on my opinion as an internal member of the GM team and try to give as much documented information as possible.

Sirius Restrictions and functionality:

Since the first point that we can emphasize regarding your feedback, is the fact of generating a restriction, this had to be done because otherwise the sirius system could be totally skipped by people who simply wanted to progress in Tau Ceti (actually you can progress in TC with not many Sirius BPs), which would not fit with the typical progression that the game had since its release (moving forward linearly until reaching the maximum level of components and ships possible). Due to the pecularity of Sirius and the lack of history missions, simply launching Tau Ceti without any restrictions would have been frowned upon by all players who have been actively contributing and playing the game for years even when updates were not as constant as they are today.

Prior to the release of the Tau Ceti updates, Sirius updates were prepared to meet the new requirements that could be found in Tau Ceti and to speed up the overall progress as Sirius was no longer going to be the end game. All of these changes exponentially multiplied the time it would take to have an account with all of the Sirius BPs (even just the Ancient Sirius). This milestone used to take about 3-4 years for most players who were actively obtaining these blueprints in the past, reducing it to less than 3-4 months which you can combine with Tau Ceti content even without being able to equip some blueprints.
Sirius has been formed in a way that it can work together with Tau Ceti and generate more activities in the game apart from the typical systems progression that we have found over the years.

To contextualize the information Im giving I will give the links to the updates related to Sirius so you can check what I am saying.
Sirius Update 1 (Released on July 04, 2017)
Sirius Update 2 (Released on August 22, 2017)
Little Change on Sirius BP dropping (Released on December 18, 2018)

Conquest Update:

I dont know where you saw that devs have been working in Conquest Update since 2011/2012, As this is a new update that is being made in parallel to Part 3 of Tau Ceti, bringing many changes to the entire conquest system and re-inventing it to ensure that pilots can enjoy a more rewarding, fun and competitive experience. You can see all the progress that is being made on the CQ update in their respective Dev Shack in which there has already been talk of many changes

Conquest Update+TC3 Dev Shack

Activity of Dev team and updates:

After the first release of the Tau Ceti system which tried to innovate in the way of creating the system in a progressive way by the players and the bad reception that it had by the community, it was decided to stop the TC project to start it again with another perspective which could be of more pleasure for the players.

Due to internal problems and changes of which I have no information, the development team decided to focus more directly on one of the company's game called Dino Storm, which had less time and required some urgent changes. This caused that during some years (period 2013-2016) players felt that the developers had abandoned the game and that TC were just false promises.

After having finished with the necessary updates in DS devs returned actively to PG with a new Dev Shack and many new initiatives including the expected TC system together with QoL updates that the game required after so much time without important updates apart from events like the Raven Dynamics.

Currently with the small team that Splitscreen Studiso has, they are working on bringing the best content into their games. Usually receiving a major update every 6-12 months. Remember that making updates to everyone's liking is practically impossible, but that doesn't mean that multiple changes won't be made according to what a large part of the community wants. Not everyone can have the same opinion.

Currently within the Dev Shack planning that started in 2016 the development team has already accomplished 3 of the points they had hoped for, 4 in progress (this being TC) and already having released 2/4 of it.

Regarding the time it is taking to make Tau Ceti, we must think that in reality the development of TC did not begin until the return of the developers as such to the game (2016). Apart from what has been explained, TC is going to be the biggest system in the game and it is going to require more work than some other systems like Antares-Gemini-Mizar might suppose, which did not have as much content as Sol or Draconis. To give some examples, 4 new skills were introduced in both Sol and Draconis, while currently a total of 8 are going to be introduced in TC (adding TC1+TC2 and TC3). If we also take into account that the team is not as big as it was in the past ,and that they now have more games to work on at the same time. The rhythm in which the updates are being carried out is acceptable (during its development they show how it progresses and what we can expect from it)

Start of Dev Shack update plan and talk about TC problems in the past
First major update-Armor Update (Released on September 12, 2016)
Second major update - PvP overhaul part 1 (Released on March 16, 2017)
Third Major update - Sirius updates (divided in 2 updates)

• Sirius Update 1 (Released on July 04, 2017)
  Sirius Update 2 (Released on August 22, 2017)

Fourth Major update - Tau Ceti system (divided in 4 updates)

• Tau Ceti Part 1 (Released on June 19, 2018)
  Tau Ceti Part 2 (Released on July 30, 2019) (Preperation Update released on July 23, 2019 with many other changes)
  Tau Ceti Part 3 (actually in development)

Fifth major update - Conquest Update (actually in development, not listed initially in Dev Shack)

We also have to point out that during 2019 another 2 Raven ships have been released which both uses 1 new TC skill.

I'm sorry if I couldn't explain exactly a point that interested you, but I tried to do it in the best possible way

 

[eggyboffer]

As ive stopped playing i actually wasnt going to watch this post anymore, but after seeing the post blow up i thought im going to have to comment.

As vesp said, I made this post to get a response from the GM's, Asking them to show us something they are doing, give us some updates, GIVE US A RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE. They have failed to do so, and for that reason, last week i cancelled my cry vaults and MS and have not played since, nor do i plan to play anymore. I can chat to my clan mates in discord, don't need to log in for that.

Im gonna pick apart from fissions post and would love some answers to these points.

We also have to point out that during 2019 another 2 Raven ships have been released which both uses 1 new TC skill.

Im sorry, but managing to release two ships in a year? That is acceptable to you? They did nothing else but ruin our drop rate and give us annoying events, but its ok they released 2 ships... Great job for a development team running a game! Sorry but one thing a year is not acceptable! Also, did we ask for any new ships? No! Were asking for a fix to the cry drop, were asking for more activities, more content, more FUN! Your not giving us any of that, your releasing ships that are jsut a waste of cryo for us because we have actually no use for them.

You could get through this game buying 9 ships in total, one per system. Dont release ships we have no use for when were asking for other things. Like mentioned in the post earlier, Split dont listen to us and care what we say or think, they do what they want and dont care if its useful to us!

Currently within the Dev Shack planning that started in 2016 the development team has already accomplished 3 of the points they had hoped for, 4 in progress (this being TC) and already having released 2/4 of it.

Regarding the time it is taking to make Tau Ceti, we must think that in reality the development of TC did not begin until the return of the developers as such to the game (2016). Apart from what has been explained, TC is going to be the biggest system in the game and it is going to require more work than some other systems like Antares-Gemini-Mizar might suppose, which did not have as much content as Sol or Draconis. To give some examples, 4 new skills were introduced in both Sol and Draconis, while currently a total of 8 are going to be introduced in TC (adding TC1+TC2 and TC3). If we also take into account that the team is not as big as it was in the past ,and that they now have more games to work on at the same time. The rhythm in which the updates are being carried out is acceptable (during its development they show how it progresses and what we can expect from it)

4 Years for one plan dude and they have 2 more parts to do their 4th part of that plan, since 2016? We wont get that till 2021, which means 5 years to do one development plan, and again, few parts of that were things we wanted or needed in the game.

Currently with the small team that Splitscreen Studiso has, they are working on bringing the best content into their games. Usually receiving a major update every 6-12 months. Remember that making updates to everyone's liking is practically impossible, but that doesn't mean that multiple changes won't be made according to what a large part of the community wants. Not everyone can have the same opinion.

Small team? Dont develop and plan to run 2 games if you cant keep up with updates and keep the game running, Setting yourself up for failure there!

Due to internal problems and changes of which I have no information, the development team decided to focus more directly on one of the company's game called Dino Storm, which had less time and required some urgent changes. This caused that during some years (period 2013-2016) players felt that the developers had abandoned the game and that TC were just false promises.

So they abandoned the game for 3 years but were meant to trust them to deliver promises??! Whats stopping them from doing that again?

As I have seen how the progress of this thread has evolved, I will give my two cents on my opinion as an internal member of the GM team and try to give as much documented information as possible.

And again, a GM has responded but the Devs, the ones we actually want answers from to our feedback have ignored us. they have now been back from their month long holiday for 10 days and they havnt said a thing in this and i would be happy to bet that they arent going to either!

 

[Rajaa]

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First of all mate, i already typed on topic and you got explained how they are small team. Even if team was bigger, they cannot evaluate all activities at once like PvP and new system also. It is true they left game in period 2013-2016 but they are back to work and did many minor adjustments as well as big ones. If you do not understand and still complain go check News & Announcements topic to see even how many that minor adjustments matter.
I am also not pleased that game isn't in that much fun state yet regarding PvPs and lot activities, but it is not just to update, it needs currency to cover all those updates because cryonite and gravitons cannot be reward for all of them.
Second thing , you have no right to complain as you started game recently and reached Sirius, so you wasn't there to see updates or no-updates. First go read updates in News & Announcements then come back here to talk if you gain some knowledge first. I am not defending devs, but since 2016 they were readjusting game stuff about armors, sirius, balancing game to the point so they can do new content, if you haven't played earlier, you would see how bad it would be with these 2 parts of tc without those earlier updates.
I was also complaining for long time about content, but they started working and they simply cannot do updates in an instant. Many players have left the game between 2013-2017 as they started adjusting stuff from 2016-2017 and finally released TC1 in 2018 as well as TC2 in 2019.
So you as young player complain, if you can do better than them go on mate. Get 5 more people and try to make quality content with only that 5 people, soundtracks, visuals, missions, ships, adjustments. Therefore as long as you complain and you didn't even read past updates changelogs , don't mention me nor about my posts i suggested nor my Trailers or videos.
Thanks in advance for not mentioning me, have a good day.

 

[eggyboffer]

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First of all mate, i already typed on topic and you got explained how they are small team. Even if team was bigger, they cannot evaluate all activities at once like PvP and new system also. It is true they left game in period 2013-2016 but they are back to work and did many minor adjustments as well as big ones. If you do not understand and still complain go check News & Announcements topic to see even how many that minor adjustments matter.
I am also not pleased that game isn't in that much fun state yet regarding PvPs and lot activities, but it is not just to update, it needs currency to cover all those updates because cryonite and gravitons cannot be reward for all of them.
Second thing , you have no right to complain as you started game recently and reached Sirius, so you wasn't there to see updates or no-updates. First go read updates in News & Announcements then come back here to talk if you gain some knowledge first. I am not defending devs, but since 2016 they were readjusting game stuff about armors, sirius, balancing game to the point so they can do new content, if you haven't played earlier, you would see how bad it would be with these 2 parts of tc without those earlier updates.
I was also complaining for long time about content, but they started working and they simply cannot do updates in an instant. Many players have left the game between 2013-2017 as they started adjusting stuff from 2016-2017 and finally released TC1 in 2018 as well as TC2 in 2019.
So you as young player complain, if you can do better than them go on mate. Get 5 more people and try to make quality content with only that 5 people, soundtracks, visuals, missions, ships, adjustments. Therefore as long as you complain and you didn't even read past updates changelogs , don't mention me nor about my posts i suggested nor my Trailers or videos.
Thanks in advance for not mentioning me, have a good day.

I mentioned your trailers in the post before saying it would be nice for split yo actually use them, and got told it was too complicated so they wont.

Also, started recently? I've been playing since 09 dude, check my profile I kept leaving because I got bored of grinding lol, but I always came back hoping for a change.

Thirdly, like I said, what's stopping them from leaving again? What's stopping then from saying DS needs a update so abandon Pg again...

And small dev team? Don't start running a different game and hire more dev's, which means you need to advertise your game to get money in for it.

 

[Rajaa]

That just proves you have no idea what was happening in meanwhile you weren't here.
Dyno storm was just created 2012 and it needed content, so pg was abandoned for 3 years almost.
That won't happen again as dyno storm is developed enough.
About updates, bigger ones, as i said check changelogs in news and announcements and see how long it took for a team to do them perfectly in means no bugs (at least big ones).
They were bigger team when they started business, that doesn't mean they won't hire more people in future.
That's why your whining has no meaning talking things that aren't even connected. Review past posts on this topic and also links that GM shown you. Also each Devshack first post by dev explains the state of current upcoming update, go there and check posts before complaining.
There is no company that can do many updates at once, tau ceti content is big update to work on.