Feedback on New Loot System

[selkath]

I hope we don't have to get all our blueprints again due to the new system.

 

[pbhuh]

I hope we don't have to get all our blueprints again due to the new system.

No, I don't think so,

Also I found something on German Forum:

Hallo,

die Ankündigung ist vielleicht etwas mißverständlich formuliert. Gedacht ist das die höhere Anzahl an benötigten BP durch entsprechend erhöhte Dropchance ausgeglichen wird.

Also z.B. 5 BP statt nur einem um ein Item zu bauen, aber auch 5fache Droprate.
Die genauen Zahlen stehen aber noch nicht fest.

Es geht darum den Zufallsfaktor beim BP finden etwas zu minimieren und das ganze gleichmäßiger zu gestalten.

Which shortly said means That you need 5 bp's, but that the bp droprate goes also 5 times.

Which makes the chance on finding a blueprint more likely and makes it more common.

 

[translator]

well.. i have a good impression about this system,especially dropping cryonite and blueprint at the same time is a good thing, because when i have a bp booster i see lots of 'blue' prints and less cry..

about second feature: multi bp is requiring to build an item, this might be more fair, because, sometimes you shoot for hours for a gold bp and other player is coming and steal your rare bp..

still we need to see inside the game how it works; e.g. currently i have no ssb, i will wait for new changes and then i will hunt for gold sol sonic blaster, a good chance to test new loot system..

regards..

 

[Krunchy]

All I got to say is: CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN.......WAIT....pick up cryo at lesser value = 2x the work....

Collect c, Collect c, Collect c, Collect c......CLICK SCAN CLICK SCAN CLICK SCAN......

Is Really Even playing anymore?

For example: X-mas gift boxes This is a good example of things to come. How many are already annoyed of it after 5 min of farming harvesters?

5x the drop rate of bp = 5x more click scan
2-3x reduced amount per single drop of cryo

All this amounts to spending all day click e balls at a value of 2 per ball to fill 5k. Who wants to do this?

Keep it simple: increase size of cryo drops and bp rate.


OPTION 1: AUTO LOOT SYSTEM WITH OPTION TO DISABLE WHEN IN SQUAD
OPTION 2: SPACE PETS THAT LOOT <---I LIKE THIS BETTER

 

[pbhuh]

All I got to say is: CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN, CLICK SCAN.......WAIT....pick up cryo at lesser value = 2x the work....

Collect c, Collect c, Collect c, Collect c......CLICK SCAN CLICK SCAN CLICK SCAN......

Is Really Even playing anymore?

For example: X-mas gift boxes This is a good example of things to come. How many are already annoyed of it after 5 min of farming harvesters?

5x the drop rate of bp = 5x more click scan
2-3x reduced amount per single drop of cryo

All this amounts to spending all day click e balls at a value of 2 per ball to fill 5k. Who wants to do this?

Keep it simple: increase size of cryo drops and bp rate.


OPTION 1: AUTO LOOT SYSTEM WITH OPTION TO DISABLE WHEN IN SQUAD
OPTION 2: SPACE PETS THAT LOOT <---I LIKE THIS BETTER

Krunchy, Don't cry, you haven't played PG for a long time i guess?

Earlier on we had Cryonite Slaves to collect cryonite because that bad was the collector. But now, The Collector is great.


Don't think that all cryonite drops are gonna be reduced like 3x, The Drop will be more fair in Mizar, Sol and Draconis.

 

[Krunchy]

pbhuh,

I have played when it use to take 30min+ to fill up e. And I have seem people laugh at how ridiculous it was then shortly leaving game to never returning.

When a game becomes work it no longer become fun. When the fun leaves so do players. I have no qualms about SS being a business and are here to make money.

Its funny how the word "Balance" is always thrown around in these forums. There is also a balance of Fun factor vs willingness to pay $$$$. Remove some fun and you in this case remove paying players.

Clicking e balls, cryo and BP are not fun things to do in this game. I just ran out to molikar and slaughtered a bunch of harvesters that spawned loads of interceptors, And guess how many boxes were laying around? 30+ boxes! Can you imagine the joy on my face? Ya right... to heck with that. Now imagine those boxes being bp from interceptors or what ever your killing sinces it 5x drop. Joy 0 joy!!!

 

[pbhuh]

pbhuh,

I have played when it use to take 30min+ to fill up e. And I have seem people laugh at how ridiculous it was then shortly leaving game to never returning.

When a game becomes work it no longer become fun. When the fun leaves so do players. I have no qualms about SS being a business and are here to make money.

Its funny how the word "Balance" is always thrown around in these forums. There is also a balance of Fun factor vs willingness to pay $$$$. Remove some fun and you in this case remove paying players.

Clicking e balls, cryo and BP are not fun things to do in this game. I just ran out to molikar and slaughtered a bunch of harvesters that spawned loads of interceptors, And guess how many boxes were laying around? 30+ boxes! Can you imagine the joy on my face? Ya right... to heck with that. Now imagine those boxes being bp from interceptors or what ever your killing sinces it 5x drop. Joy 0 joy!!!

Problem is that there is a certain speed of collectors, they have to remove that.

It takes the same speed for cryonite in vega as in sol with an AM Big Claw Collector!!! thats bad.

 

[Ctfunnygirl]

LOL Krunchy,

You are SOOOO right. Yesterday, when I got on the game and first saw the Christmas "World Event," at first I thought it was kinda cute - but after about 10 minutes of getting my behind shot off because of the packages getting in the way - and taking twice as much time to get my missions done....

I began to suspect we were in a Stealth Loot System Test on the live server.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to spend more time in click-scan-collect mode.
It doesn't add any fun to the game play.
And it ups my pod factor - which makes me use E - which apparently appears to be the current major goal of the developers.

Click-scan-collect. Click-scan-collect. Click-scan-collect. Click-scan-collect. Click-scan-collect.

It does add frustration.

I'm not sure that's what SS is going for - but lately - I wouldn't put any money on that.


Lool - Askone Server

 

[lance]

why do you scan them? its not like one of them will be a bomb and essplode in your face

Just collecting everything would be easier....

 

[Sinned]

Well the new loot system seems interesting.It cant be worse than what it is now.
As for scanning, well u dont have to do that as lance said, but even if u do, all u have to do is click the object and press ''E".

Regards
Dark Lord

 

[ramtex]

Scanning drops is faster then pickup - but this game is way too tedious. Fun is in the fight, run, or squad. NOT in gathering energy balls for 10 minutes to spend 5 minutes blasting lessor Mantis in search of cryonite to purchase tech needed to battle equal level Mantis.

*) More cryonite drops and more cryonite per drop would be nice.
*) Gathering energy should be bonus not penalty to playing game.
*) Should get more with drops if in squads
*) We need a trade system other than buying from stations, or at least allow tech to be installed on any ship without having to repurchase it. We worked hard to get it, and the cryonite to own, why punish if we play with different ships.
*) Should get bonuses for playing missions in squads repeating with different ships.
*) My cash is in my pocket and unless the game becomes fun again, it will stay there.
*) Offline gathering of energy and basic level XP would be nice.
*) We work so hard for XP, why deny it with killing lessor level Mantis? Allow token XP at least. They can still kill us.

Double drops of BP and Cryo sounds nice, but it would slow the game for everyone. What is the goal here, make the game harder to survive or enjoy.

I have played for 3+ weeks, was about to spend money, and now the game is so boring and hard to upgrade that I will probably not spend money, and more likely go back to offline games that allow me to build ships with the tech I want, and gather resources when I want.

This game would benefit greatly from removing energy balls, and instead have energy in station or "generators" on the surface. Time sitting at a station is more pleasant than gathering annoying energy balls, to kill Mantis, only to have to gather BP and Cryo.

At least let a pilot trade within technology with in their own hanger - use the tech on all of the ships they have. That way we could add a sense of random customization to each ship - making it a TRUE pirate ship.

Other game systems use a generator which over time supports weapons and shields, why can't we just survive on surface long enough for energy to be collected if at a slow rate. We could still use energy balls to SPEED the game up. So only change would be to allow energy to generate in the ship - the way the Mantis do.

We should be able to steal that technology.

This game is only fun if missions are played in squads and battles of PVP are done without penalty to the loser. Reward the winner - not punish the loser with POD and loss of cryonite.

There should be a requirement to turn on pirate mode with each log in.

Regards,

 

[ShiningNoNo]

just dont put multi bp builds into game,trade=ROCKS,generator=nice,e ball speed up=rofl,overall need at least 50% more drops of cry and 25% more drop chance of both bp and cry.GGB is as hard as **** to get,1k rocketeers and no rares.I already got 5x rare aim comp,21x rare rockets and 2947 cry from drops.PLSSSSS make the rares drop more often.

 

[ridoi]

what we gonna need is higher bp drop but the bp drop can't lower the cry drop the bp might drop in the same time as the cry... and I want maybe 50% more cry for every mantis -.-

 

[passenger8]

there was no problem with the way bps dropped anyway so why oh why once again ss have you changed something that didnt need changing, here is what needs changing we need better/more hp on all ship to make pvp more fun so the fight isnt over in a few seconds the weapons need to be better cos they are weak, everything you guys seem to do is a step in the wrong direction, who ever on this forum ever said we need bps to be made so we need to collect 2 or 3 of them to make 1 weapon???? this is just plain stupid, i give up on this game

-i have to agree there, and express my fears:! -SS have already shown us that they are hard and roughly manipulating card dealers, and that they clearly want to win their own game. -and so be it?

 

[pbhuh]

*) More cryonite drops and more cryonite per drop would be nice.
That will get fixed in new loot
*) Gathering energy should be bonus not penalty to playing game.
This game is based on energy, but i do agree that you should get it faster
*) Should get more with drops if in squads
Drops should always be the same, if you go alone or not.
*) We need a trade system other than buying from stations, or at least allow tech to be installed on any ship without having to repurchase it. We worked hard to get it, and the cryonite to own, why punish if we play with different ships.
I would say full refund for weapons, ships only have for armor too.
*) Should get bonuses for playing missions in squads repeating with different ships.
No
*) My cash is in my pocket and unless the game becomes fun again, it will stay there.
nothing to say on.
*) Offline gathering of energy and basic level XP would be nice.
Offline gathering no,/b]
*) We work so hard for XP, why deny it with killing lessor level Mantis? Allow token XP at least. They can still kill us.
XP is ok in lower systems, higher system are getting out of hand.

 

[LordCougar]

If they not make we find BP faster, i mean complete bp faster than is now, this new loot system will be last sign for players to quit immediately.

I have bad felling they only want to make illusion of finding BP. BP will drop more offten, but overal time to find all from collection will be the same. If they want to solve problem of boring game in this way, they are only wasting your time to implement this crap. PPL must see in rational period of time, real progress, no illusion of progress. Its why they are quiting now, this game is to slow.
PPL dont play this game, they are forced to stop playin this game, and try to colect cry for tech/ship for weeks, stoped to play to find stupid tech for weeks, make it even slower by increasing manis hp so you have to shoot and shoot and shoot to it to kill him, mising many times in a row in meantime.., make energy is dissapering very fast so you have every few minutes ne on e field.

Problem of this game is, they want to make money doing noting, and forcing us to gring for weeks is a way they chose, lets hop in this path they will change old way

Even if they make loot system lime we want, there is still main problem, Goal of this game is to go forward with storyline, explore new planets, new systems, doing SM in meantime, if they will decelop new system like they did so for, more than half year to do draco, this game nothing can save

 

[1313e]

Does this mean, we need to get more then 1 RARE BP to unlock the RARE component???
Cauze, some rares are nearly impossible to get 1 time, but if we have to get it 3 times, then it is impossible.
Like the Sol Attack Droid, i am looking for it for 2 months now and still don't have it.
If i have to get it 3 times, then i need to grind for it for almost a year.
Don't think lots of people like that.
(BTW, sometimes i need a week to get a NORMAL BP. That is stupid too, cauze it isn't rare, so it is supposed to drop often. With the new loot system, it would take me like 2 weeks then to get it.)

Anybody that has to say something about this???

 

[LordCougar]

you cant find blue bp, becouse they have begun since legendary graphic path, changing this game for the biggest maniacs, so nomal ppl who play here from time to time, cant do any progress. This game is now for ppl playing entire day and of course mandatory are using all shop stuff. SS wanted to force those ppl to buy as long as possoibe those stuff, and its why they made this game so boring and slow

But as definition of farming tels (called grinding in this game), it make ppl can very fast get bored, bored so much so next resul is that they cant play this crap anymore - what is happening now in this game.

 

[pbhuh]

Does this mean, we need to get more then 1 RARE BP to unlock the RARE component???
Cauze, some rares are nearly impossible to get 1 time, but if we have to get it 3 times, then it is impossible.
Like the Sol Attack Droid, i am looking for it for 2 months now and still don't have it.
If i have to get it 3 times, then i need to grind for it for almost a year.
Don't think lots of people like that.
(BTW, sometimes i need a week to get a NORMAL BP. That is stupid too, cauze it isn't rare, so it is supposed to drop often. With the new loot system, it would take me like 2 weeks then to get it.)

Anybody that has to say something about this???

You probebly have to find like 5, but the bp drop rate goes also up with 5, atleast if SS is NICE!!!!!!!!

Better would be if they change the DRaconis bp drop with 7-8 times higher.

 

[DaRK_XePHoN]

What I like:

• 
  *Almost Every Mantis drops something
  *Change on both Cryonite and Blueprints
  *Cryonite Drop Increased

What I Do Not like:

• 
  *More Blueprints needed, WHY???
  *Cryonite Amout Reduced, Only If You make the drop more fair in higher systems.

What I do not like about increasing cryonite drop and reducing amount:
- There will be several cryonite crystals doped, so you must collect them all, it must be better actual drops but increasing the cryonite amount.

About BP simply increase just a little on Draconis the probability of getting a blueprint, that's all we need.

It's dangerous to get a blueprint depending where it was dropped (more when you go alone to get it), if you need get more bp's ... more pods you get.

I really don't want to see many drops as we got on the first days of christmas event, all the map was filled with event boxes.

Happy new year!