Unbalance PM trophy ships vs normal ships

[ridoi]

Parsec's got just 20% more, not 25%, there is a 15% hp bonus for the TR ships.
Please do not talk about making ships weaker, it makes some ppl seem pathetic, reason; they can't get the thing by there own and starts winning.

Defcon you made some few posts that I think is not clearly well thought, cus you seem to care about the ship you want to use only!

Try to be a all runner, use any ships.

 

[WRAITH1]

i rather found the point valid tht fairness is "selective" in pg . no idea if his post was meant to point tht out but its evident tht some unfairness are accepted (like higher/special/rare ships vs normal ships , boosters etc even memberships can offer advantage in pvp if the other runs out of energy and u dont even know he has membership) whereas some other unfairnesses not accepted like shooting noobs. also stealing cryo/golds seem to b accepted as part of the game whereas other things like draging mantis to defend urself are categorised as "griefing" (lol stealing causes no grief im sure thts why its allowed)

now though im against unfair aplication/interpretation of rules so far im not personally implicated cause most of them dont even affect my gamestyle atm .
(i just find it a very interesting topic so i thought i post my point of view.)

 

[Defcon]

Well Wraith, indeed i was pointing out this selective unfairness.

And off course parsec guys go mad.

Just strange that extra armour u buy with a booster is disabeld when fighting PVP, but if youygrind long and hard an get the extra advantage by buying a parsec class ship, then it is no problem.

Off course, keep the parsec boys happy, i bet they are the ones that pay (most) for the game
Splitscreen will back them up anytime whahahhaa.

Greetz Defcon

 

[WRAITH1]

i dont mind advantages for paying players its done in most games but since free players are cheaper and more interesting npcs they should take care to not treat them too unfai so they leave and wallet warriors have noone to shoot/show off too.
even though they say many things are disabled in pvp i cannot chk tht and also i can never see wht booster the other has+ if hes member.
y is th relevant u may wonder just think of tank vs tank 1 free one pay player the member with unlimited energy has unfair advantage imo.
(btw used to love old pvp tank vs tank where an extra parameter needed b considered: energy management; u had the option try look for an opening and quick takedown mistake/criticals/etc or wait see who runs out e first.lol)

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

Well Wraith, indeed i was pointing out this selective unfairness.

And off course parsec guys go mad.

Just strange that extra armour u buy with a booster is disabeld when fighting PVP, but if youygrind long and hard an get the extra advantage by buying a parsec class ship, then it is no problem.

Off course, keep the parsec boys happy, i bet they are the ones that pay (most) for the game
Splitscreen will back them up anytime whahahhaa.

Greetz Defcon

Well not all parsec class ships pilots spend money in this game since it's not needed, ( it's F2P game afterall)
In my case, i just grinded my domi by going to planets to look for grinding place. ( 0 euro spended)
1 more thing i want to point out: no one said that you can't save up cry's slowly to buy 1 parsec class ship
no told you to grind it in 1 month
If you do'nt have patient, don't grind 1 then
That extra armor is our reward for being patient and hard works, and i don't want this post to ruin our hard works
Well, the parsec class ships are the ultimate goal in this game, you have to set a goal in order to do things and pursuit that goal with all you have, otherwise you won't archieve anything, that's my opinion...

Regards
SetsunaFFSeiei

 

[blackroger]

Well Wraith, indeed i was pointing out this selective unfairness.

And off course parsec guys go mad.

Just strange that extra armour u buy with a booster is disabeld when fighting PVP, but if youygrind long and hard an get the extra advantage by buying a parsec class ship, then it is no problem.

Off course, keep the parsec boys happy, i bet they are the ones that pay (most) for the game
Splitscreen will back them up anytime whahahhaa.

Greetz Defcon

Well not all parsec class ships pilots spend money in this game since it's not needed, ( it's F2P game afterall)
In my case, i just grinded my domi by going to planets to look for grinding place. ( 0 euro spended)
1 more thing i want to point out: no one said that you can't save up cry's slowly to buy 1 parsec class ship
no told you to grind it in 1 month
If you do'nt have patient, don't grind 1 then
That extra armor is our reward for being patient and hard works, and i don't want this post to ruin our hard works
Well, the parsec class ships are the ultimate goal in this game, you have to set a goal in order to do things and pursuit that goal with all you have, otherwise you won't archieve anything, that's my opinion...

Regards
SetsunaFFSeiei

Well said Setsuna....we spent along time grinding for a ship that was descibed as this....
"The Parsec is based on the once highly classified X-12 prototype. The X-12 was known within Antares Industries as the "Game Changer", due to its utter dominance on the battlefield. This Parsec is incredibly well armored, so much so that rumors about it being completely impervious to Blaster fire abound."
It was NEVER advertised as a trophy ship, that was a comment made some time back to placate a situation.
The parsecs have been with us throughout this game...if you want one save for it, if you don't want one thats ok aswell.....just don't complain about it.

black

 

[Whatever]

Well not all parsec class ships pilots spend money in this game since it's not needed, ( it's F2P game afterall)
In my case, i just grinded my domi by going to planets to look for grinding place. ( 0 euro spended)
1 more thing i want to point out: no one said that you can't save up cry's slowly to buy 1 parsec class ship
no told you to grind it in 1 month
If you do'nt have patient, don't grind 1 then
That extra armor is our reward for being patient and hard works, and i don't want this post to ruin our hard works
Well, the parsec class ships are the ultimate goal in this game, you have to set a goal in order to do things and pursuit that goal with all you have, otherwise you won't archieve anything, that's my opinion...

Regards
SetsunaFFSeiei

good point Sets, I second this as I too grinded that ship w/o paying for it. It can be done but one needs to put in it a lot of effort. unfortunately with all these restrictions on parsec class ships (being unable to do sol missions with deluvian armor and sol tech) i'm afraid they are now one more STUPID thing in the game. they're just not worthy their price anymore since you cannot use them as you progress in the game. they'll probably be classified as sirius ships when sirius is out and limited to that system only no matter if you dont have 4th armor on it you wont be able to use it anywhere but in sirius just as you cant use 'em in sol anymore for missions. I simply cannot understand the reason WHY, why SS is making more and more illogical restrictions in this once great game.

 

[plop]

well i grinded long and hard for my draco full rare storm does this mean its ok to use my extra armor and hp against sol ships??? and if i fit no armor on my draco ship can i use it to do sol missions as well as my draco ship would stand with the same hp and armor as a fully armored sol storm

 

[Adrana]

well i grinded long and hard for my draco full rare storm does this mean its ok to use my extra armor and hp against sol ships??? and if i fit no armor on my draco ship can i use it to do sol missions as well as my draco ship would stand with the same hp and armor as a fully armored sol storm

No you cannot use your Draconis Storm in other system missions.
You are able to use a Draco ship when it is unlocked by an sm, also it requests you to have level 70.
It is a Draconis ship, same as SOL ship is a SOL ship etc.
You are not allowed to do your missions in lower system with higher system tech and ships.
It doesn't matter if you have armor or not on it, it doesn't remove the fact that your Draconis ship is simply a Draconis ship.

Draco ship is a case apart of any other system ship, as it has the requirements as it has.

good point Sets, I second this as I too grinded that ship w/o paying for it. It can be done but one needs to put in it a lot of effort. unfortunately with all these restrictions on parsec class ships (being unable to do sol missions with deluvian armor and sol tech) i'm afraid they are now one more STUPID thing in the game. they're just not worthy their price anymore since you cannot use them as you progress in the game. they'll probably be classified as sirius ships when sirius is out and limited to that system only no matter if you dont have 4th armor on it you wont be able to use it anywhere but in sirius just as you cant use 'em in sol anymore for missions. I simply cannot understand the reason WHY, why SS is making more and more illogical restrictions in this once great game.

Whatever, that is just ironic guessing of your part. When you have the real facts, then speak what is real, and not just based on guesses please.

 

[Defcon]

Well,

i see nothing more then excuses or 'reasons' why parsec class ship pilots think or believe they have earned their advantage.

Conclusion : Advantage in armour is no problem when u grind long and hard. But it is a problem if u just buy the booster. So, don't buy the booster, but grind hard and long.

In my opinion, parsec extra armour should be disabled in PvP, exactly the same as my booster armour is disabled. Or, other way around, since the huge numbers of these ships that are around now, if u buy a booster it should not be dissabled in PvP.

The parsec bunch still has 'free booster armour' in all missions and against mantis. that should be enough.

Since nobody is disputing the fact they do have an advantage. I think we done with the topic.

thx,

Defcon

 

[ridoi]

Well,

i see nothing more then excuses or 'reasons' why parsec class ship pilots think or believe they have earned their advantage.

Conclusion : Advantage in armour is no problem when u grind long and hard. But it is a problem if u just buy the booster. So, don't buy the booster, but grind hard and long.

In my opinion, parsec extra armour should be disabled in PvP, exactly the same as my booster armour is disabled. Or, other way around, since the huge numbers of these ships that are around now, if u buy a booster it should not be dissabled in PvP.

The parsec bunch still has 'free booster armour' in all missions and against mantis. that should be enough.

Since nobody is disputing the fact they do have an advantage. I think we done with the topic.

thx,

Defcon

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Defcon you are no more better then those who is for weaken up the sniper, so please stop with this, lol.

C'om if you can't beat them, join them, I think using this forum/support to show that ships are to strong, then the ship you use to be stronger the one u want to get weaked, so u may win over it, but I tell you, that is just pathetic...

 

[WRAITH1]

Defcon you are no more better then those who is for weaken up the sniper, so please stop with this, lol.

i dont know wht u want exactly but a "personal" opinion is never wrong for the initiator.
just cause u cant form ur own opinion or dont bother to post it is no reason to blame others for opting to do so... and tht is MY opinion.
in a discussion those tht say "stop with this" as counter argument have nothing constructive to say so maybe its wiser to abstain.

 

[Defcon]

Well,

i see nothing more then excuses or 'reasons' why parsec class ship pilots think or believe they have earned their advantage.

Conclusion : Advantage in armour is no problem when u grind long and hard. But it is a problem if u just buy the booster. So, don't buy the booster, but grind hard and long.

In my opinion, parsec extra armour should be disabled in PvP, exactly the same as my booster armour is disabled. Or, other way around, since the huge numbers of these ships that are around now, if u buy a booster it should not be dissabled in PvP.

The parsec bunch still has 'free booster armour' in all missions and against mantis. that should be enough.

Since nobody is disputing the fact they do have an advantage. I think we done with the topic.

thx,

Defcon

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Defcon you are no more better then those who is for weaken up the sniper, so please stop with this, lol.

C'om if you can't beat them, join them, I think using this forum/support to show that ships are to strong, then the ship you use to be stronger the one u want to get weaked, so u may win over it, but I tell you, that is just pathetic...

Uhm Ridoi, did u read what i said? Your answer, again, is nothing more then confirming my remark that nobody disputes the advantage, but comes up with 'excuses' that it is allright.

And really i don't see why it is that strange a observation, Boosters do get disabled in pvp, extra armour advantage on Parsec class not. Just say your fine with that instead of starting some pointless namecalling'.

Thx Defcon

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

i got just 1 question, if you can answer that i'll never post anything here anymore.

-> Why would people grind a parsec class ship if he/she does not get anything 'extra' back?

The point here is, will you grind a parsec class ship if you have the same armor as the normal ship?
My answer is a NO. i don't know what your answer is and i'm curious to know that too...

And don't give that talk about: 'you have a parsec class that's why you're defending it'
I know that and i'll defend it since i worked for it
Again your complain is quite useless in my eyes but oh well maybe some people agree with you

Can't wait for your answer ^^

Regards
SetsunaFFSeiei

 

[Whatever]

Whatever, that is just ironic guessing of your part. When you have the real facts, then speak what is real, and not just based on guesses please.

I guess you didnt understand my point, so I'll elaborate thoroughly why people who do not have R50 ship should not get one in SOL:

Reason 1 - USABILITY: It's restricted to DRACO system as it's now regarded as R70 ship (real fact). If people cannot use it in SOL where you get to R50 why bother getting it - they can buy it alright at R50 but since it's not usable for SMs/WMs with deluvian and SOL tech then it's pretty much useless until they unlock DRACO).
So players in SOL would actually buy R50 ship and have it as decoration in hangar, go back to grind, rank up to R60, buy R60 ship, finish SOL SMs, grind for meth armor (which is btw almost as expensive as ship itself) and by that time SIRIUS system would open and R50 ships would be again "balanced" as sirius ships which means more grinding to buy DRACO ship and finish DRACO system and even more grind for 4th sirius armor, hence the only thing that is constant about R50 ship is grinding and useless sitting in hangar.

Reason 2 - PRICE: price of the ship is not an issue. it costs a lot so if one wants it one has to put a lot of effort to get it. now problem is ARMOR price. till DRACO system it even may have been somewhat logical, (now I realize it's not since for fully rared and armored R50 ship you can almost have all 5 DRACO ship classes with top blue bps, difference is some 20k (real fact - fully rared R50 ship cost 2,838 809 cryo while draco storm, tank, shock, engi and sniper with top blue bps cost 2,856 545cryo ) )

in SIRIUS system 4th armor price can only go up and be higher than the price of ship itself - this in my view is illogical and stupid but you may call it "ironical guessing". two reasons that do not instill hope to me are:
- if it's restricted once to highest system i.e. DRACO it's safe to assume that it will be restricted to sirius once it's open
- the fact that 4th armor will be more expensive than a ship is totally illogical . Think of it this way: is the casing of your computer more expensive than the motherboard, hard drive, CPU, graphics card etc. - of course not; hence the armor should never exceed ship price.

Reason 3 - ARMOR: 20% more HP (as V-hyper tests show) is simply not worth grinding 614 000cryo. advantage is insignificant and time period you invest in grinding is just too high. this of course is related to grinding without membership/cryo booster but even with those to grind 614 000 will take quite some time with current poor cryo drop from mantis. people do not need those 20% extra HP to finish draconis mission (I completed draco in sniper) so all those who think that "having R50 ship will make their stay on hive a walk in the park" i've got a message for you "it wont". at rank 70s on hive you just need to be careful and observe DS routes, memorize minefield places and e-fields, dont engage multiple mantis if you're alone, kill one mantis at a time and you wont pod.
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now with that explained and backed up with real facts, here is what needs to be done (in my opinion) in order to keep R50 ships alive and worth buying:

OBLIGATORY:
1. Make them usable for SMs/WMs judging by ARMOR and GEAR installed on them not by restricting them to highest system. example:
-make R50 ship with deluvian armor and sol gear can be used in SOL system for SMs/WMs
-keep current restriction for DRACO if R50 ship is equipped with methanoid armor.
-when 4th armor is installed it becomes SIRIUS system ship and can be only used there for SMs/WMs.

if they dont do this then people in SOL system who choose to go for R50 ship should really understand the meaning of trophy ship. it will only be a trophy in a garage for them, nothing more. that is if they are to have patience to finish them...

OPTIONAL (but would be nice to have this)
2. In Sirius system (once it's out) give them class specific boosts so they actually are worth investing in. example:
parsec +5% damage output (it has 3 blasters - so make it actually mean more firepower)
domi +5% HP (make them durable as "flying fortress". all that armor needs to mean something)
engi +5% to item cooldown (rep field, rep target, protect, resurrect) bigger area of effect of rep field.
shock +5% to flight speed.

3. or they should introduce new currency/resource specifically for 4th armor in sirius. let's say it's dark-matter. so there should be cryonite-to-dark matter converter in hangar, then using dark matter to forge 4th armor at "stellar combat engineering" outposts which could give 4th armor and/or specific class upgrades mentioned above for dark matter only.

I rest my case.
~W

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

parsec +5% damage output (it has 3 blasters - so make it actually mean more firepower)
domi +5% HP (make them durable as "flying fortress". all that armor needs to mean something)
engi +5% to item cooldown (rep field, rep target, protect, resurrect) bigger area of effect of rep field.
shock +5% to flight speed.

This is good BUT then 'someone' will complain again about the fariness... so i do'nt know how to comment on this...

3. or they should introduce new currency/resource specifically for 4th armor in sirius. let's say it's dark-matter. so there should be cryonite-to-dark matter converter in hangar, then using dark matter to forge 4th armor at "stellar combat engineering" outposts which could give 4th armor and/or specific class upgrades mentioned above for dark matter only.

I like this idea, it actually make it more fun to get hte 4th armor and it enable new featurs in game ( forge materials) But once again, is it possible?

 

[Whatever]

I like this idea, it actually make it more fun to get hte 4th armor and it enable new featurs in game ( forge materials) But once again, is it possible?

players always hear "it is not possible" from SS when it comes to implement something in the game whether it's improving bp drop rate, fixing attack charge, attack field turret, having lower prices of ship/gear in draconis...

one thing needs to be clarified: THERE IS NO LIMIT TO PROGRAMMING. you can program mantis queen to sing Xmas songs when u kill it if you like.

problem is not in programming, problem is that SS is probably busy with other games Steel Legions/Dino Storm so they dont have time to give full attention to PG.

 

[sergioba]

guys i want new class of ship - name : vega buzz
eq: reg vega stuff
price: 1 mil cry
reason to have one:

 

[ridoi]

Uhm Ridoi, did u read what i said? Your answer, again, is nothing more then confirming my remark that nobody disputes the advantage, but comes up with 'excuses' that it is allright.

And really i don't see why it is that strange a observation, Boosters do get disabled in pvp, extra armour advantage on Parsec class not. Just say your fine with that instead of starting some pointless namecalling'.

Thx Defcon

Yes read your posts, and I said it again no more better then the rest, you did even self did complain about the idea of SK, if you want peace in the game, think of your game playing no someone else, you seem to be a sniper pilot, then think of making it good again, your post is to weaken a ship that ppl worked hard time to get. I don't see the point for it, boosters are disabled for pvp, and even I think it should not, you pay for the thing with real cash, so it should work on everything, a parsec u have worked wasted, time, and that u pay with time!

 

[Adrana]

In my opinion this topic is going around and around and around but has no progress, this is not anymore a constructive topic, but it's loosing the control of the whole discussion taking some flaming characteristics.
I am making a stop on this now.

If you have argues, please take them to private messages, and not here on forum.