NEW COC PVP RULES!?

[nachoninja]

Ok, I speak for quite a few pilots when I say that these new PVP rules in Vega are outrageous!!! How is it possible that Splitscreen is going to tell us how to PVP? There are many flaws in this new system and I have personally seen so many problems being cause with it. Let me go over some of these problems from what I have seen so far. Lets go over the rules first.

* The fighting in pirate mode can only be done with Vega Tech.
This rule I understand and how it should be in the system, but if your having fun and playing with your friends and they say its ok, I know my clan likes to test their Tech so we pit Vega ships against other higher lvl ships. So does it mean if I am in a Vega ship and my friend is in a Gemini ship he can not pod me if I would like him to? ( I got called on this one by a GM yesterday) I would figure if the PVP is consented between 2 people it should not matter.

* It is not allowed for any Ship or Technology that is NOT Vega to participate in any Vega System PvP.
This rule needs to be defined more as does that include if you want someone to take you out of red? Does it mean that if your playing with a friend that you can not do even with consent?

* In the same way, any Pilot that comes to Vega System (Unless on a Mission) in a Higher Technology Ship or Gear to Vega, and PvP with Pilots using any Technology, will be sanctioned.
Ok, If you do not have a mission and want to help some new members in your clan or want to rare hunt, does that forbid you to use higher level tech to rare hunt of get your BP's your missing? I personally like to use my sniper to hunt rares cause when I release my attack droid I have now, 2 guns shooting on 2 mantis at once which reduces my time to find rares cause I am shooting more. If I happen to be in red and a vega ship crosses my path, the droid might pick them as a target or if I use my orbital. as well as using a tank for they have the agro bomb and a storm with the splash damage. You can not control the attack droid and if your red you can not control the other damage as its area, and if their too close then the noobs end up as a pod. It has happened to me many times when I was still in vega so long ago. I just repped and moved on.

* The fact that the Pirate mode will not turn off at will, it is of course allowed to come to Vega System in a superior technology with Pirate mode enabled, provided no PvP is attempted.
I understand that PVP is not allowed to be attempted, but again as above, damage does happen from said area damage weapons and attack droid. and as you can not bounty bank cause its against the COC, I would not want to lose my bounty to someone just so I can go to vega to help a friend or clan mate or rare hunt.

* In the case where a Pilot is in Vega technology and attacks you, you are not allowed to reciprocate in any way, first ask the player to stop, otherwise move yourself to another location away from that player in order to be able to play normally or get Vega Tech.
This idea does not always work cause you try and move to another area they will chase you and sometimes there are multiple players in groups of red who will attack you. and so your saying that you can not shoot back and defend yourself?? I think this is ridiculous. This game is Pirate Galaxy and thats what PVP mode is for. So now you can not PVP even if someone attacks you?


I think these new rules will just make things harder and will make people complain and cry more. Once they get in other systems they will just cry even more till there is no more PVP what so ever. I started this game for the PVP and when I was in Vega to start I was Podded many times by Antares ships and higher. I made lists of who I would take revenge on when I got higher, but I just repaired and kept going. Thats the point of PVP, its said everywhere that if you turn PVP on, you risk being shot down, Thats what going red is. If you did not want to take the risk of being podded by other players you should just not have it on. I have learned that way. Why change it now. It has already caused many problems for people and will cause more with screenshots and players whining and crying. It will also cause good players who are not even there to pod anyone get in trouble when a OS or agro bomb or even an attack droid to go and shoot some random noob who got too close. You should re think this cause again, its already causing issues.

 

[Morpheus GM]

PvP in Vega System

In order to allow the New Players to familiarise themselves with the Pirate mode (Player vs Player), the Vega system in its entirety is subject to the following rules concerning the confrontation between players:

* The fighting in pirate mode can only be done with Vega Tech.

* It is not allowed for any Ship or Technology that is NOT Vega to participate in any Vega System PvP.

* In the same way, any Pilot that comes to Vega System (Unless on a Mission) in a Higher Technology Ship or Gear to Vega, and PvP with Pilots using any Technology, will be sanctioned.

* The fact that the Pirate mode will not turn off at will, it is of course allowed to come to Vega System in a superior technology with Pirate mode enabled, provided no PvP is attempted.

* In the case where a Pilot is in Vega technology and attacks you, you are not allowed to reciprocate in any way, first ask the player to stop, otherwise move yourself to another location away from that player in order to be able to play normally or get Vega Tech.

This text was taken directly from the Code of Conduct, I believe it does answer all your questions, however, even if you both consent to PvP each other you will fall foul of this rule if you are not in a Vega ship
if you want to PvP, is it so difficult to move to a higher system? all that is asked is you guys leave Vega a true Vega system.

 

[nachoninja]

If you have read what I have written you would see the exceptions. So are you to tell me that if something happens on an accident that if someone cries about it, that player will get punished?

 

[CtMurphy]

I think the CoC said it clearly enough, if you use a bit of common sense then you could simply go to a higher system and PVP there instead, it's not hard.

As for an attack droid, you can one shot virtually everything in Vega with a mizar ship so an attack droid won't be an issue unless ya want it to be. Alternatively don't turn pirate mode on if you wanna go to Vega in a Sol class sniper or better.

Although I AM in agreement with him on the issue of defending yourself. If someone is persistently firing at me then what else am I supposed to do but fire back? You can't orbit when in combatmode and if they chase you after moving away it's kinda hard to get away at times.

 

[Adrana]

Ok, I speak for quite a few pilots when I say that these new PVP rules in Vega are outrageous!!! How is it possible that Splitscreen is going to tell us how to PVP? There are many flaws in this new system and I have personally seen so many problems being cause with it. Let me go over some of these problems from what I have seen so far. Lets go over the rules first.

You speak for yourself when you write in the forum, I as player do not agree with you.
These PVP rules are very welcome back, I have missed the old rule of Vega protected players. They have a fair chance now.

* The fighting in pirate mode can only be done with Vega Tech.
This rule I understand and how it should be in the system, but if your having fun and playing with your friends and they say its ok, I know my clan likes to test their Tech so we pit Vega ships against other higher lvl ships. So does it mean if I am in a Vega ship and my friend is in a Gemini ship he can not pod me if I would like him to? ( I got called on this one by a GM yesterday) I would figure if the PVP is consented between 2 people it should not matter.

If you and your friend like to test out, it's most likely they are not Vega players, and you all can move on to a higher system to do your tests.
Rules have been made to follow as per it's description.

* It is not allowed for any Ship or Technology that is NOT Vega to participate in any Vega System PvP.
This rule needs to be defined more as does that include if you want someone to take you out of red? Does it mean that if your playing with a friend that you can not do even with consent?

If a Vega pilot want to get out of Red, you simply get your Vega ship and do it. If your friend is of higher level, why does he need to go to Vega to get out of PM?

* In the same way, any Pilot that comes to Vega System (Unless on a Mission) in a Higher Technology Ship or Gear to Vega, and PvP with Pilots using any Technology, will be sanctioned.

No pilots will not be sanctioned unless they fire on a Vega pilot with Vega ship & Tech.

Ok, If you do not have a mission and want to help some new members in your clan or want to rare hunt, does that forbid you to use higher level tech to rare hunt of get your BP's your missing?

No, it doesn't forbid, but I believe you are such higher pilot that you do not need PM on for xp in Vega.

I personally like to use my sniper to hunt rares cause when I release my attack droid I have now, 2 guns shooting on 2 mantis at once which reduces my time to find rares cause I am shooting more.

Your joking, aren't you? Sol or Draconis Sniper? Like you would need any of these in Vega.

If I happen to be in red and a vega ship crosses my path, the droid might pick them as a target or if I use my orbital. as well as using a tank for they have the agro bomb and a storm with the splash damage.

You as higher player do not need a droid, nor a high level tank to aggrobomb the mantis, and if you do, just be more careful and don't do it if there are Vega pilots nearby with PM on. You can ask them to move, and if they are in mission, you can move on. If you are seeking rares, you can seek anywhere in the planet as all level mantis usually drops them. But once again, is that a forced need to be in PM when you do that? I understand if players are doing the Recipe missions eg. from Gazica that they are in high tech and might have PM on, but you only need a Blaster for to shoot a mantis on any Vega planet. Not like that you are threatened by the mantis or that they will kill you.

You can not control the attack droid and if your red you can not control the other damage as its area, and if their too close then the noobs end up as a pod. It has happened to me many times when I was still in vega so long ago. I just repped and moved on.

Read above.

* The fact that the Pirate mode will not turn off at will, it is of course allowed to come to Vega System in a superior technology with Pirate mode enabled, provided no PvP is attempted.
I understand that PVP is not allowed to be attempted, but again as above, damage does happen from said area damage weapons and attack droid. and as you can not bounty bank cause its against the COC, I would not want to lose my bounty to someone just so I can go to vega to help a friend or clan mate or rare hunt.

Use lower tech, and the rest read above again.

* In the case where a Pilot is in Vega technology and attacks you, you are not allowed to reciprocate in any way, first ask the player to stop, otherwise move yourself to another location away from that player in order to be able to play normally or get Vega Tech.
This idea does not always work cause you try and move to another area they will chase you and sometimes there are multiple players in groups of red who will attack you. and so your saying that you can not shoot back and defend yourself?? I think this is ridiculous. This game is Pirate Galaxy and thats what PVP mode is for. So now you can not PVP even if someone attacks you?

It is not a PVP if eg you are in a Draconis Sniper and they in Vega ship.
This anyhow can cause problems to higher pilots.

I think these new rules will just make things harder and will make people complain and cry more. Once they get in other systems they will just cry even more till there is no more PVP what so ever. I started this game for the PVP and when I was in Vega to start I was Podded many times by Antares ships and higher. I made lists of who I would take revenge on when I got higher, but I just repaired and kept going. Thats the point of PVP, its said everywhere that if you turn PVP on, you risk being shot down, Thats what going red is. If you did not want to take the risk of being podded by other players you should just not have it on.

Here you should follow your own advice when you enter in a Vega planet, do Not turn PM on.

I have learned that way. Why change it now. It has already caused many problems for people and will cause more with screenshots and players whining and crying. It will also cause good players who are not even there to pod anyone get in trouble when a OS or agro bomb or even an attack droid to go and shoot some random noob who got too close. You should re think this cause again, its already causing issues.

This has existed, maybe before you have even started to play. With Splitscreen taking over that rule was gone from Vega. So as I said in the begin here on my answers, it is really Welcome Back rule for most pilots.
It only causes issues if you do not follow the CoC as intended.

 

[vermin]

instead of just telling us we cant pvp in vega and harping on to us about all these new rules why dont splitscreen stop being so lazy and code it into the game so you cant enter vega with pirate mode on unless your in a vega ship

 

[Oggro]

More easy to all ( gms / players) is if close the system to high techs and ships land in the planet Red.

Exp.: If u is lvl 85 active pirate mode and try land in Pros ( gm sys) u can but just if u use Gem Ship with Gem tech or lower to run missions ( for archivs or help someone), never more u cant pod someone usenig ur sol / drac / sirius ship. If this guy just want grind for cryo or bps using big ships he needs first lost his bount and deactive the pm.
If u in pros not red yet and active pm ( using High lvl ships ) u is autokicked from the planet.
Make this in all system and 100% sure about this Never more u will see someone says " oh this guys is a noob podder or some".

Real a fair play game.

( Better for SplitScreem too why? Simple all player will need grind more for Gold Bps / Cryo etc., will sell more boosters )

And Gms will gain more time to try help ppl nothing more "babysiter" ppl in the game or reciving tickets about "Check this guy he is a noob podder" or " Someone flying in Sirius Ship pod me in Vega"

Just a idea.

Good luck

 

[Adrana]

Please do not open up new threads for the same issue.
Every post will be merged what touches the same subject.

 

[DarkEmpire]

This Game Is broke for a while,
Just want add to this Topic,

 

[passenger8]

-if the pilots realy must be restricted in every possible way, i think that oggro did come up with a brilliant suggestion.

 

[Quarter]

in regards taking players out of red and/or testing tech against vega ships.

the way i read the new CoC, nothing prohibits the players involved in agreed PvP, removing PM, or testing tech from using their vega ship against higher tech in Antares or above.

Nothing really changes for the higher lvl players, just click Antares instead of Vega.

I think some good rules have been established to help noobs get into the game and not lose interest because they get podded by higher level players when running red for the Exp.

Kudo's to split screen!! With all the other defined CoC rules, several of us have noticed a greatly reduced amount of chat harassment and instigation of payers..
respectfully

No-1/4(WOW)(Quarter)
Winds of War

 

[Astraeus]

Can you fly a Drac Ship in Vega CQ?
Can you use a Sol ship in any Vega Events?

If you answered No to these 2 Questions, then PvP in anything other than a Vega Ship with Vega Tech is not allowed

 

[ROCKETMAN]

oggro idea takes away from the game (pirate galaxy.....) earning the status of the best pirate....or the meanest wichever.....allthough those who play this game should be able to without others mainly kids who cant handle the being in ur pod by a stronger player.......my understanding is that,,,as long its not a repeated podding.....but then again if ur red ur dead .......if u dont wanna be podded dont go red......the one with the most bounty wins....by all means neccesary...so oggro....its understandable to the new coc rules in vega....the new players thats fair play...

 

[Astraeus]

Hello Pilots of Pirate Galaxy,

Much of the New Things you see incorporated into the CoC Actually came from the other Communitys & are more Informational than Rules. The Rules if you look at them (Numbered 1 ~ 13) Have been around a long time. (1 Rule was actually dropped)

Vega PvP is a Policy that has been around (But not fully defined or enforced) since back in 2010. At that time it also included Antares System.

The CoC as a whole has been rewritten to include Spanish, German & French Servers to make it standard.

 

[passenger8]

-what about the use of thermograde and deluvian armor in vega?
-i guess that will be the next restriction?

 

[Adrana]

There is no restriction for the armor used in Vega.
Don't make assumptions, nor jump to conclusions what no one has ever mentioned.
Just keep you to the real facts, to CoC and all will be good.

i guess that will be the next restriction?

Or, is that your wish, and suggestion?, Be careful what you wish for

 

[ridoi]

What happens if I go full mad in my fully ancient vega storm, with full armor, and hunt down all newbies, no complains right? will just do it for achievements

 

[CtMurphy]

What happens if I go full mad in my fully ancient vega storm, with full armor, and hunt down all newbies, no complains right? will just do it for achievements

Technically, the Ancient Vega Blasters, and all of the Ancient vega tech is still classed as Vega tech, otherwise using them in CQs would have been banned already so if you think about it and use a smudgin' of common sense you can come to the conclusion that it wouldn't be against the CoC at all... Technically.

 

[ridoi]

What happens if some random is very angry, with his fellow friends, about this rule, and then goes hunting for all Vega reds? What's the point, the Vega newbies got no chance, right? They will just whine again.

I am still confused if i can use ancient Vega tech or not, it is Vega, but it drops from sirius (and some times vega events). Very confusing >.<. HELP!!!!

 

[CtMurphy]

Don't get angry... get even >:]

come to vega on solaria! I'll help clear up any confusion for you! (PS come red and come alone)