Meta-Tank(Sir-armor) vs Domi R70(armor)

[auto82]

Hi!

im posting this since ive been waiting some months to be lucky enough to get to a r5 planet that dropps sirius ship. there was just a drop but at the wrong side of the galaxy.

back to the topic, what im wondering is, if the domi would have about the same amount of hp/armor with r70 ship upgrade as the meta-tank with sirius armor.

currently i use meta tank in sirius and can solo mantis like "horus" and smaller ones, and i need to be sure that my domi preforms just as good when not upgrading to the last r80 armor.

question is allways aboute cryo^^ currently i can only afford to one thing, bp`s or full armor.
but then again i wouldn`t have cryo for a sirius ship and would be stuck on the 3rd mission in tau-ceti for a good while longer.

any one got some insight?

the hitchhiker`s guide say that on a prototype class ship, sirius armor is effectively a R70 ship's Methanoid plus 50%. has any one tested these two ships against eachother?

if im to asume that my domi with drac armor(methanoid) has 20% more armor than a draco-tank with same armor. then a upgraded meta-tank with sirius armor get 30%+ compared to draco-armor.

it would mean that R70 domi got 10% less hp then a fully upgraded meta-tank?
im not sure what scaling factor SS uses to balance the ships. offcorse this math isnt accurate since the difference between the armors isn`t constant. but still..

 

[Raider1968]

I've looked into this before a meta tank with meth armour has more hp than an r70 domi, tank has 7693 hp and domi has 5770 hp, a domi with sirius armour has 11540 hp.

 

[auto82]

I've looked into this before a meta tank with meth armour has more hp than an r70 domi, tank has 7693 hp and domi has 5770 hp, a domi with sirius armour has 11540 hp.

ty vm for your reply!!

wasn`t the answer i hoped for^^ but i thought so..

guess i have to wait abit loonger before i complete it then.
thx again!!

 

[Gorgon706]

Yeah domi with draco armour is weaker then a draco tank with meth armour also Punisher has same hp as a domi almost

 

[auto82]

Yeah domi with draco armour is weaker then a draco tank with meth armour also Punisher has same hp as a domi almost

yes. but after what ive read the punisher is a 5 rank higher class ship. so i dont find it that strange.
as the draco-singularity isnt a system, just a part of draconis i think SS made a good desition when they made r85-ships.

this means that in tau-ceti the prototype-class ship would be the strongest and best ships until tau-ceti singularity arrives and stronger ship will come^^

 

[tritous]

there is a simulator on hitchhikers, you can try the two ships with different armours to get a calculation of the amount of hp the armour will have after. It's at the top of the ships page

Not a full answer, but may help

 

[Ramirez]

The problem whit the Parsec armors is that they are only counted as an level 80 Armor when you upgrade them to Sirius armor. But i don´t know if the Draconis Ship get something similar like the Ancient ships and their armor is counted then as an Level 85 armor when you upgrade them to whit the Meta armor but it would explain why Draconis Ships are slightly better armored then the Parsec ships atm.

 

[auto82]

yes. there is something with armor. perhapps SS should make the last upgrade for standard system meta-ships as r75 and prototype ships as r80 or something.

i dont know if you needed to be r80 to get the sirius armor on parsec or if you could put them on as r70.
and can one buy a sirius r85 hybrid ship before reaching r85?

 

[Eargos]

the r80-armor you can put on the ship with lvl70!
if you have done all the hive-missions...

think about what will happen, if the meta-ships became just r75?!
the most players doesn't have a chance on sirius!!!

 

[auto82]

think about what will happen, if the meta-ships became just r75?!
the most players doesn't have a chance on sirius!!!

dont see the problem, its hard in sirius but in sq i think it would be allright. i dont say that ss should degrade the meta ship, but make it so that the so called last armor for meta ship will upgrade it from r70 to r75 ship. and so that the prototype pilots need to be r80 to put on sirius armor etc.

the draco ship is still r70 with sirius armor, not a r80 as ive understod from all these posts at forum.

on the other hand the prototype ship is probably still a r70-ship but with sirius armor and one can still do hive sm with them?? (idk). i only know that i can do sm`s on gazica and hive with the so called sirius armor on my meta-ships.

i just think it is better to define bounderies with level of the ships and to make this visible is to make it so that one need the required rank to buy the armor upgrade like we needed to be in previous system to get the new system ships. this would solve some of the constant wining from alot of pilots. if there is a distinct rank difference pepole would easier accept that their ship is somewhat weaker or stronger than others.

not that this is important.

 

[Adrana]

on the other hand the prototype ship is probably still a r70-ship but with sirius armor and one can still do hive sm with them?? (idk). i only know that i can do sm`s on gazica and hive with the so called sirius armor on my meta-ships.

Let me clear one thing here before the users gets confused.
R70 ship has a max of Methanoid Armour what can only be bought in your clans Jumpship,
the same armour is the max what you can purchase for the Hybrid ships as well.
With Methanoid Armour you can still do any missions in Draconis on a proper R70 ship, or Parsec.

In the other hand, the armor what you call Sirius Armour, is the armour what exist only for Parsecs,
and you cannot install it for any other class ship.
That armour is named Sirius Armour.
Sirius armour is not allowed for to do any missions on Draconis.

 

[auto82]

the armor what you call Sirius Armour, is the armour what exist only for Parsecs,
and you cannot install it for any other class ship.
That armour is named Sirius Armour.
Sirius armour is not allowed for to do any missions on Draconis.[/color]

ty for clearing that up, ive seen prototypes with the spesific name "sirius armor" i just took it for granted that it was the same thing.'

that kind of claryfies the missing link between the last meth armour and parsec without sirius armour. the low/high difference between the tank/domi hp^^

 

[Eargos]

i think the difference from r70/r80 to r85 is also for the missions on draconis?!
and not for the armor itself...

 

[V1-Hyper]

Hello there,

At bit late but I will try to explain some things.
The Methanoid armor could be seen as a special armor upgrade (+60%) for Draco ships to allow players to stand a chance in Sirius, though the Draco ships will remain R70 and thus can still be used for Draco missions. (That's why they get stunned so hard in Sirius). Methanoid does NOT make them true Sirius ships.
The Prototypes armor bonus of +20% always refers to Deluvian armored Non-Prototype ships of same level. That's why a Draco-Domi has 20% more armor than a Deluvian META Tank, but 25% less armor than the META Tank with Methanoid (120%/160%=75%) - or - META Tank with Methanoid has 33% more (1/0.75=1.33)
Because the Sirius protype armor is 200% of Draconis armor, a Sirius Domi then becomes 50% more than Methanoid META Tank (2*120%/160%=150%). Raider1968 righly said, the Armor/Weapon Simulator on the Hitchhiker's Guide calculates you exactly that. Ofc, Sirius Prototypes are no more usable for Draco missions as they become true Sirius ships.
Even though all Prototypes can be bought with level 35, starting out as Mizar ships, the armor upgrades "re-balance" the ships according to the next system, but you do NOT need the level for purchase, which they are balanced at. For example, you do not need to be level 70 to buy Draco armor nor level 85 to buy Sirius armor.

One can speculate, a Sirius-Domi would still have 20% armor bonus if there existed a R85 Tank with Deluvian armor.. but there isn't such thing. 'Methanoid armor' was the choice of fix to make R70's Sirius-ready instead, without the need to purchase new ships in Sirius. And Prototypes are inherently upgradable to higher Systems. In fact, introduction of "methanoid armor" prohibits regular Sirius ships, coz then a R85 Tank with Methanoid armor would again be 33% stronger than Sirius-Domi (as shown above for Draconis system), which violates SS's "promise" the Prototypes will be the "best" game ships at all times.
R85 Ancient Hybrids are the only other true Sirius ships but they have different armor indices, i.e. lower armor indices in order not to violate above "promise". It just so happens (on purpose) that the Ancient Punisher has exactly same armor as Sirius Domi. It's the max SS could go for. No Hybrid was allowed to exceed the armor of any Prototype because of it. "Best" is not strictly true, but "equal" in terms of hitpoints holds true ;-)
Keep in mind that the Punisher only manages to be equal in armor with its Methanoid armor! Since Prototype bonuses are compared against Deluvians, it goes to show the Sirius armor is a hefty one, coz a Delvuian Punisher would only have 62.5% of a Sirius Domi, and in fact be weaker than all Sirius-Prototypes except Constructor, Disruptor and Hunter.
What Tau Ceti ships and armor will bring, if any, needs to be seen...

Hope that makes sense.
Best wishes

 

[auto82]

interresting reading

i have gotten my domi complete a while back and dont regret my choise of prototype.
atm it seems like its one of the very few ships usefull in sirius.

i wrote about armor nerf moths ago just before TC opened. After this alot of good balanced ships isn`t able to hold their own anymore.

anyway, im looking forward to the new ships in TC if they come^^