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heisan213 said:
Do you know what I think is weird? Before all the new messy updates when you pressed the log off button, your ship stopped!! But wait. You said the stop function couldn't be implemented (or whatever) because it diddn't comply to the old steering "physics",but noooo! You have to change it and make lots of players leave while it was there all along!

Btw, I like the new relative ship control, it's faster than the old one, but I don't like the new steering;
That's because, if you turn you camera one way the ship will follow only a few seconds after you rotate it, this happens with all settings I've tried. And you can't turn your ship all the way around anymore using only the wasd. And also, we haven't gotten any explanation on how to steer our ships, and this really frustrates me, because I done seem to find any way to turn around or just look back at some mantis while shooting them at the same time.

http://forum.pirategalaxy.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11935
 

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No, that's not what heisan213 means.

Thàt is an explanation on how you should setup your game, to make the new controls work.
(Which I insist is proof in itself that these controls are nowhere near intuitive, otherwise it wouldn't need the amount of explanations being put in right now).

What heisan213 wants, is an explanation on how to properly steer your ship, using those exact settings.

At least, that's how I interpret it, since I've been wondering myself after all my failed attempts to get my ship to go where I want it to.

Strangely though, I'm wondering why SS claims the controls were changed because players couldn't look around their ship while flying.

I was able to do that perfectly with the old system. With the new one, my ship always turns immediately into the direction my screen faces, regardless of how I set my game up.

Also, the old keyboard made your ship turn around its axis like any normal vehicle would do.
The new keyboard steering on the other hand, only seems to let the ship take on a preset angle from its forward axis, but no more. Which means you can't turn around the ship using keys only, when flying full throttle.

This causes me to be unable to look around while flying towards a certain point. It also means that in a fight versus several opponents at once, the screen just keeps turning around, following my ship, which makes everything extremely confusing very fast!

I have no knowledge of any real life car, boat or aircraft which is controlled in this manner. Therefore, I have no idea why this is supposed to be more intuitive than the old steering.

The old steering gave you everything in one easy package (apart from hover, but you don't need that at all).
The new settings seem to force you to pick only one of the possibilities: either ship control and your camera bouncing around, or camera control and your ship bouncing around.
 

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Daniah said:
No, that's not what heisan213 means.

Thàt is an explanation on how you should setup your game, to make the new controls work.
(Which I insist is proof in itself that these controls are nowhere near intuitive, otherwise it wouldn't need the amount of explanations being put in right now).

What heisan213 wants, is an explanation on how to properly steer your ship, using those exact settings.

At least, that's how I interpret it, since I've been wondering myself after all my failed attempts to get my ship to go where I want it to.

Strangely though, I'm wondering why SS claims the controls were changed because players couldn't look around their ship while flying.

I was able to do that perfectly with the old system. With the new one, my ship always turns immediately into the direction my screen faces, regardless of how I set my game up.

Also, the old keyboard made your ship turn around its axis like any normal vehicle would do.
The new keyboard steering on the other hand, only seems to let the ship take on a preset angle from its forward axis, but no more. Which means you can't turn around the ship using keys only, when flying full throttle.

This causes me to be unable to look around while flying towards a certain point. It also means that in a fight versus several opponents at once, the screen just keeps turning around, following my ship, which makes everything extremely confusing very fast!

I have no knowledge of any real life car, boat or aircraft which is controlled in this manner. Therefore, I have no idea why this is supposed to be more intuitive than the old steering.

The old steering gave you everything in one easy package (apart from hover, but you don't need that at all).
The new settings seem to force you to pick only one of the possibilities: either ship control and your camera bouncing around, or camera control and your ship bouncing around.

it's the noobs! remember the name Hover?
that's why u do not like your steering, stop asking about the steering, it's your own fail, and accept it!
 

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ridoi said:
it's the noobs! remember the name Hover?
that's why u do not like your steering, stop asking about the steering, it's your own fail, and accept it!
Shut up, Ridoi. You sound like a developer...

Wait a minute...

Oh... :p ^^ :mrorange: ^^
 

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Daniah said:
Shut up, Ridoi. You sound like a developer...

Wait a minute...

Oh... :p ^^ :mrorange: ^^

think before you say something, and yeah it's your own fail, then i mean the people that did come with the idea, will not say who, but if they do not like there own stupid idea, I do not care :D
 

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The thing i think Daniah means is that the new system is stupid an pointless, while hover isn't.

For some reason, the admins want this type of steering, and so they shove their head under the sand and say that it's some kind of techical thing. They have used this excuse earlier.

As someone above pointed out, you hovered earlier when you was logging out, and thus hovering must be possible with the old steering system... which leads to the original question: Why use the stupid steering?
 

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Well... Thankyou Daniah ;). Diddn't make myself clear enough..
 

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Testing I cant post here, I am trying to post a reply here and I get this message when I try to preview or to submite:

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Starchaser said:
Testing I cant post here, I am trying to post a reply here and I get this message when I try to preview or to submite:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1966080 bytes) in /var/www/pgforum/phpBB-3.0.8/includes/utf/data/utf_compatibility_decomp.php on line 2
that's strange... but this post worked :confused:
 
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During this weekend the forum was down apparently for some users, same for me. But that has been now fixed and you should be able to post at forum again. :cool:
 

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k i agree but the game is starting to improve now but this post to me is alot of Red Tape if ya know what i mean ^^ anywat the game still has alot to improve on.
 
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