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datajam

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Okay I Tried To Keep My Mouth Shut,

This last update has stripped the Engineer of all usefullness and caused serious impact to player interaction. I believe this is a serious mistake.

First of all, the Engineer is useless in its own system. It is not capable of defending itself in its own system. Now, the Eng is unable to work backwards into the lower systems. This renders the Eng nothing more than a liability to any pilot stupid enough to buy one.

One of the coolest things about this game is the player interaction where senior players with their bigger ships come down and grind, BP hunt, or help lower system players progress. This is a fundamental interaction in the game. You may believe you are fixing a bug that lets players get up easier in the game, but it is a much larger impact to player interaction. You cannot create such an adverse impact to player interaction and be fair to the game. The impact these changes have on game play are enormous. The impact to player interaction is more severe. The impact to player interaction within the clans is devistated by this change. Clanmates helping each other is limited too much, and stops the interaction between players necessary to the bonding between clanmates. If your clanmates cannot help you, what good is a clan. And, do not suggest that same tech works, because it doesn't.

Everybody in the game that started the game prior to yesterday, had the ability to get a helping hand from a senior player. Changing this interaction changes the game so severly that the new player no longer gets to play the same game any of the rest of us has. That coupled with extremely ridiculous cry and BP drop rates leaves the poor noob an extremely long and tedious game compared to the fun we all have enjoyed. This is a serious issue that SS needs to re-evaluate. Love for this game has a direct relation to enjoyment of game play. SS needs to recognize the lazy factor for players. We all want a challenge in a game. None of us want to be subjected to non-stop attempts at going nowhwere while our peers did not have to do so. Most games you can tell who the good players but the progress of the player through the ranks. Not in this game though. The noob player is not playing anywhere near the same game that the Draconis Pilot has played. Planets, missions, cry and Bp drops, e usage, and now player interaction have created a much different game. SS has taken a lot of fun away from the new player. This is unfair to the noob, damaging to the game, and offensive to many senior players. And, may adversly effect population growth of the game. I know I am enjoying the game less by it, and I can only imagine how the noob feels.

I seriously request SS re-evaluate these changes. And, I don't mean the GM's. Somebody take this into Gus and let him see it for his consideration because right now there are a whole lot of folks unhappy with what used to be one of the best games ever played.


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i agree. the armour "upgrade makes it impossible to solo...not only missions in draconis but other systems as well. and missions like technatoria and molikar missions that require outside engineer help are pretty much impossible. SS has seriously messed the game up with this "update" of removing any need for the engineer class ship. not to mention the armor, bp,attack power, and the fact of not getting draconis ships till the 15th mission (which if i may add is madness because that IS impossible). i would like to see some of the higher ups come and do what we have to do now that the changes were made.
 

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i agree, the fun is gone. If nothing is gonna change i am gonna stop playing (with pain in my heart)
 

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well I would really like the engi to have the best armour but as you know no...
and maybe it pvp tank will win with aim scrambler and aggrobomb so do something!!! it is rly bad an pvp and solo misson and so on
 

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pieters2 said:
i agree, the fun is gone. If nothing is gonna change i am gonna stop playing (with pain in my heart)
I agree with what Datajam has said and I am having the same feelings as pieters2. I have been playing this game everyday for well over a year. I have spent quite a bit of money as well. I am thinking about moving on if nothing is done to reverse the bad parts of this new update. :cry:

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First of all: It's bad that the engi can't heal anyone now. Even in the FL it happened to me. It's because i want to help other players. Now i can't do it. Maybe you could allow matting people, who have a story mission. This wouldn't be that major, but good for noob-helping engis.
Apart from that:
I don't think the engi isn't useful anymore. The interesting thing is that Storm and Tank lost some power because of this update. I think that the shock stays on the same level. The engi is now a little bit better ( :!: ) than before. It's because of the armorchange. The engi now has more armor, and the repper still reps the ship very good. If you attack the DS at Prosperous, you now needn't rep that early, you had to do before. It's because of the engi's health.
The only thing, i don't find that good, is the Cooldown of the repper. It could be 2 seconds shorter.
But apart from that i am very happy with the Draconis-Update.
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As a stalwart engi player I feel that the latest update has decimated the usefulness of an engi not only to his clan but to his role in the game altogether.what will hapen to the noob players who don't have membership and get podded with not enough e to mat themselves in the middle of a mission.if I was available I would mat them be they friend or foe, because THAT IS WHAT AN ENGI DOES!.

This latest update will do away with one of the main avenues of communication/player interaction in the game, and if it remains in place I can only see the game going backwards instead of growing and becoming the No1 MMORPG it should be.

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Timberwolf1957 said:
I would mat them be they friend or foe, because THAT IS WHAT AN ENGI DOES!.
You're right. We should be allowed to mat, even if we can't heal them or give them shield. That's not that bad, but if we can't mat, the engi is useless, apart from it got better because of this update.
Pls give the engis the right to mat EVERYONE, no matter, whether he's in a squad or doing a mission or in FL.
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it is now nearly Impossible to solo missions on Techtronica and Moliker without engineer support. With these updates You have literally removed the engineer from the game. The only reason someone would buy an engineer is because they`ve gone nuts.
Another thing :
The missions Are almost impossible now. Today i helped a buddy with a full sqaud, best tech and we still failed. The mantis overwhelmed our ships.
The Cryonite drop is bad too. With a single death, i loose up to 400 cry, which is unheard of. The mantis have also been made more powerful making our ships weaker, now, if you use your ship in its system you are guaranteed to die.
If these updates continue to ruin the game i will sadly have to stop playing what was the best online, multi player action game.

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Many players and SS are missing the point in this issue. Not only has SS stripped the eng of being a useful wship, but they have removed a key ingredient of the game. "Cool" is a very fundemental part of this game.The social interaction enjoyed between players that we all see as cool, is what makes this game. Allow me to demonstrate a few examples:

-You are a noob getting your butt kicked on Aurora, when suddenly this big explosion kills the mantis attacking you. You look at your health and see that you were just a few hits away frrom being a pod. You look around and see this big freakin ship behind you and suddenly fear for your life thinking you rare next. Then without a word, the big ship turns and starts away from you. You note the name on the ship, and type a quick "Thank You" to the pilot of the big ship. The pilot of the big ship texts back a simple "lol" or "np" and keeps moving away. - This Pilot has impacted your interest, your fun level, and your desire to interact with others in the game more than any other aspect of the game. He has done "COOL" and you like that.

-Nobody seems to concern themselves with lag or other server issues and their impact upon a players ability to do a mission. I personally can attest to the impact these issues create. I recall having to do one mission over and over again and just barely failing it, twenty-eight times. But, then a server resart and was able to complete the mission in a single try without any difficulty.- In this situation, your clan-mate bringing his Eng down from an upper system and giving you the edge needed was the "COOL" to the game. This is not a "cheat" to the game, this is a "balance" to the game. When the game creates its own unfairness between player ability, and the players provide the workaround to keep the other players in the game . . . THAT IS COOL. This is not something SS brings to the table, this is something that we, the players bring to the table.

-How about the "Tower" missions on Tech, or the "Issack" missions on CC? Do we realize the difficulty the noob players are having trying to do those missions? And, why would even a clan-mate want to go help when his cry loss is devistation towards his forward progression even when using a lower system ship. ANd, you use of an Eng ship same system tech is useless. The Eng has never been able to hold it's own, in its own system. Granted, a few excetional pilots have performed well, but in comparison to the other ships the Eng is a far lesser ship. And, I have addressed this topic on numerous occaissions over the past year. But, the "COOL" of an upper level Eng suddenly helping in your mission, or pulling up beside you and "matting" you or throwing a "protect" on you in that last moment, is a "COOL" that is lost.- This is a social interaction, performed by the PLAYER, not something created by SS or the DEVs. In actuallity, this created the need for Clans and Clan participation, another thing impacted by this stupidity. MY point being . . . this is not something that SS had anything to do with. This was a "COOL" brought to the game by us, the players.

My argument, and believe me I can continue with many more examples, is that SS has stripped OUR "COOL" from the game. This game is good on its own, but it has been made "COOL" by us the player. Every single one of you contributes to the player enjoyment of this game. From the harassment done by Perses/Razor, to the war that rages between the S.O.B. and N-M-E, it is all created by us, the player. Now, take the "COOL" out of the game, castrate the social interaction, and you will have lost a fundemental part of the game. This is what I see as wrong by their actions. And, I am sorry . . . but I am simply not having fun anymore.


WRichards S.O.B.
 

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one of the things a lot of strong players like to do it go down to lower systems and help people just to help people. The eng used to be the main way to do this. Matting vega players was always funny.
 

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peck said:
one of the things a lot of strong players like to do it go down to lower systems and help people just to help people. The eng used to be the main way to do this. Matting vega players was always funny.

that can you forget

here is something you guys must learn!!!

if your in sq and both are in pm and an engi is one of them. the engi can really matt and stuff... if one of the players are in pm or not the engi can't matt. if they aren't in sq no protecting.
 

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PM eng can't mat period if guy dies in pvp
 

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Yes it's very annoying, I wish they would at least give back the ability for Engineers to help from outside a squad, because now almost all the Gemini Missions are virtually impossible. b/c more mantis spawn if there are more people in a squad, You virtually getting yourself f'd up by attempting to do those missions.

The Engineer needs to be restored to it's former glory before this update, or this game will become literally impossible.
 

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Timberwolf1957 said:
As a stalwart engi player I feel that the latest update has decimated the usefulness of an engi not only to his clan but to his role in the game altogether.what will hapen to the noob players who don't have membership and get podded with not enough e to mat themselves in the middle of a mission.if I was available I would mat them be they friend or foe, because THAT IS WHAT AN ENGI DOES!.

This latest update will do away with one of the main avenues of communication/player interaction in the game, and if it remains in place I can only see the game going backwards instead of growing and becoming the No1 MMORPG it should be.

Timberwolf57

SS does not want you to mat someone, they want players to spend lots of cash on energy and mat themselves.


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peck said:
one of the things a lot of strong players like to do it go down to lower systems and help people just to help people. The eng used to be the main way to do this. Matting vega players was always funny.

always funny to have a vega pilot ask "how the hell did you do that?" :LOL:


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yeah
matting has to be overall working. I know that i am repeating that but it must come.
Matting is great but i think i wouldn't buy one anymore if i couldn't mat anyone (hope this bug is fixed, going to check this).
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Several players have just stopped playing. Lately I see less people on and the game just isn't what it used to be. For me, it started going sour when they introduced the new CQ system out with the conquest ship etc... no more freedom in cq's. Now... no one even does them anymore. Everything seems out of whack and I hate it when a company takes something great and warps it until they render it useless. Unfortunately, it seems that SS isn't particularly concerned about how the player feels... and we can complain until we are blue in the face, but I dont think that it will even matter. Its their game, they will do what they want with it.
 

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-i am very sad too, that i can´t be at service for fellow players in my engineer nomore, (unless i join a squad with systemtech, (what a challenge?;)) -i would like at least the repairfield to work on all pilots, like the menders repairfield works on all mantis. (outside missions) -that would be fair and good and COOL, and give us a reason to fly around in our engineers again:)
 
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