Double price on Sirius items

[GOTIL0N]

Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong?

 

[skyslide22]

Well kenyte is the best blue in sirius, the sirius gold ones should therefore cost twice as much, and ancient costs a little more than gold usually, so kenyte price * 2.10 or whatever sounds right for sirius ancients i guess?

 

[GOTIL0N]

The problem is that these are prices that we have maintained for years, it's a mistake, ok, but I think that a Sirius ship is already quite expensive, now they will be more expensive and also instead of giving you some time to adjust prices and players can react in time, they give you 1 day

 

[skyslide22]

draconis ship 108k
sirius ship 271k

draconis npc 100? cryo
sirius npc 3000+ cryo

 

[GOTIL0N]

To be able to kill efficiently in Sirius you need a Tau Ceti ship, imagine being a new player where the ancients have 3 million HP, yes, you always kill accompanied as a new player, but when you are not accompanied you can not do anything on your own in Sirius, I think it is enough that you have to worry about spending 7-10 million on Tau Ceti ships, now you also have to worry about Sirius, I would not have problems if they increased the amount of cryo they give you both in Sirius and any other system, and of course the rewards in conquests whether CvC or OTB

 

[ben1982]

It is a bad change, and i have no idea why the pricing was "flat-out wrong" for more than a decade and they decided out of nowhere to "fix" it now even though "fixing it" is gonna make the the experience of playing through the game just a bit worse

i also wouldnt really agree that the ancient tech HAS to be 2.1 times of whatever the number is of kenyte tech, there's no gold tech in sirius and there's no precedent to follow as its the only system without gold tech



this has been the ratio since years, i would argue that pricing for sirius is just arbitrary

 

[space mercenary]

yesterday I talked with a new player which is rare in my server xd and we discuss about sirius witch is relative easy with the tau tech but for someone who is starting from 0 and without knowledge is really uncomfortable also we have the fact that in almost all servers there is a huge lack of manpower which cant be cover by the few players that are active rigth now and now is gonna be more difficult for those new player with the change in price

 

[Meruem]

@Highway
It's easy to see the supposed ‘calculation error.’ If they're going to say there's an error, they should at least be consistent. Generally, the cost of Ancient components between systems doubled.
Vega 1,056
Antares 2,831
Gemini 4,092
Mizar 9,588
Solar 20,785 And the following is THE REAL MISTAKE YOU HAVE MADE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS NONSENSICAL.
DRACONIS 99,920 SERIOUSLY? TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE OUT OF NOWHERE, and you want to tell us that the error was in Sirius?
AND SIRUS 108,609
But we continue to double as we should in the next Tau Ceti component system from around perceptronic 192,779 to axomatic 257,994
and we double again in the Oort system 581,082.
I think it's clear that you're making a mistake with what you're doing, not to mention the reactor issue... which is in another thread, which is better because what a disaster.

 

[skyslide22]

@Highway
It's easy to see the supposed ‘calculation error.’ If they're going to say there's an error, they should at least be consistent. Generally, the cost of Ancient components between systems doubled.
Vega 1,056
Antares 2,831
Gemini 4,092
Mizar 9,588
Solar 20,785 And the following is THE REAL MISTAKE YOU HAVE MADE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS NONSENSICAL.
DRACONIS 99,920 SERIOUSLY? TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE OUT OF NOWHERE, and you want to tell us that the error was in Sirius?
AND SIRUS 108,609
But we continue to double as we should in the next Tau Ceti component system from around perceptronic 192,779 to axomatic 257,994
and we double again in the Oort system 581,082.
I think it's clear that you're making a mistake with what you're doing, not to mention the reactor issue... which is in another thread, which is better because what a disaster.

compare the ancient prices of draconis with sirius...

 

[Vesperion]

@Highway
It's easy to see the supposed ‘calculation error.’ If they're going to say there's an error, they should at least be consistent. Generally, the cost of Ancient components between systems doubled.
Vega 1,056
Antares 2,831
Gemini 4,092
Mizar 9,588
Solar 20,785 And the following is THE REAL MISTAKE YOU HAVE MADE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS NONSENSICAL.
DRACONIS 99,920 SERIOUSLY? TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE OUT OF NOWHERE, and you want to tell us that the error was in Sirius?
AND SIRUS 108,609
But we continue to double as we should in the next Tau Ceti component system from around perceptronic 192,779 to axomatic 257,994
and we double again in the Oort system 581,082.
I think it's clear that you're making a mistake with what you're doing, not to mention the reactor issue... which is in another thread, which is better because what a disaster.

Well for Draconis the most common believe is that the time it took until Drac was released was already much longer in compare to all other systems so the devs simply assumed that in all the time it took until Drac was released players already did had hundrets and thousands of Cryo.

Not to mention that we already had players during that time who did own a Parsec as well simply cus nothing else then farming cryos was the only activity we had.

The baseline was normaly always to double the price from one system to another but with Drac this baseline was already broken what already implies with the Sirius prices in mind that the continuation of increased prices was a way different one.

For whatever reason however the Draco prices were never adjusted cus for new players it´s a massive increase when they come from Sol and then see the new prices that are quadrupelt while the cryo increase was not adjusted to this increase.

If the base increase would always have been x2 we would have seen much more reasonable prices but i think with Sirius the devs did create another problem when the cryo values right out created an inflation in compare to the previous systems.

From one moment to another a unit droped cryos that give much more then even a rank 70 Harv at the Hive can give so players could gather cryos much faster all of a sudden so that building a Siri ship didn´t felt that tedious and from there on the system continued and due of the next time it took until TC got it´s "real release" players again did gathered millions of cryo so that the devs did increase the price by x4 instead of 2x from Siri to TC what sounds "reasonable".

However imo after years now saying "the cryo prices for Siriu were wrong the whole time" is a bit weird as it will again crete issues for new players when the finished the Drac story and now have to face another massive increase for the new ships and tech of Siri that is required to play the missions and also hunt the big three at R5.

At least i think we can be happy that the devs not charge us veterans for the price change

 

[Jackal]

At least i think we can be happy that the devs not charge us veterans for the price change

That's the biggest problem, this update will only affect some veteran accounts partially and many other accounts won't even notice the price change... but for new players or old low level returning players that's a big issue.

I can't be happy just because it does not affect me, we veterans are the players with the most amount of cryo, even if this affects us we can pay for it.

Draconis and Sirius were created in specific way with the purpose of slowing players a lot back in the day, but now, Sirius is easier to finish with a greatly increased income, and some Draconis limitations like the minimum level required for the ships was lowered from 70 to 61, so there is a clear indication that SplitScreen wanted to help new players, because the latest system was already out and there was no need to slow the community that much in previous systems.

This new update goes in the opposite direction, and I don't understand why they don't change Draconis absurd pricing instead of increasing Sirius pricing using Draconis as the baseline.

It feels like there is not a clear vision of what the company wants for its playerbase.

 

[Vesperion]

I can't be happy just because it does not affect me, we veterans are the players with the most amount of cryo, even if this affects us we can pay for it.

In my case it would affect me but only cus i was inactive for now nearly a year again and only have something of 450k in my Cryo bank but i still linger in the forum to see if and what happens in the game.

I mean i´m even at the point that i still haven´t finished the story mission that unlocks Oort in the 1st place since the release but in one of the early attempts i managed it somehow to get the chip before the SURGE was killed 1 second before the timer did run for it to orbit out by the Oort units and since the devs did (for a change) fix this particular mission it´s now even more annoying to attempt it at all without OC.

I guess if i would ask to get help at Askone i would eventually get some from old players but the fact how easy it´s to lose the missions in TC simply holds me back so that i´m kinda stuck in a limbo of having access to Oort and the BPs but not be able to finish the story due of the entry mission blocking all other story missions.

So if the devs would charge us for the Ancient stuff i would surely go into a massive debt with my 450k before i could think about buying anything again but then again i have currently nothing really to aim for aside of mindless cryo farming so that even with the new update not much would change for me.

But looking at it from a possible new player perspective the change of the cryo price is just wrong in every way possible.

 

[skyslide22]

no one forces you to use ancient tech, use kenyte
no one forces you to use gold tech in draconis either, sirius does not even have gold

 

[Jackal]

no one forces you to use ancient tech, use kenyte
no one forces you to use gold tech in draconis either, sirius does not even have gold

So you can explain this too? Or do they have to buy the worst blue blueprints as well? Because of course no one is forcing them to improve the performance of the ship, just stay in Sol right?



I don't understand some points of view to be honest... this is clearly affecting low level players the most, why do they always have to be punished in this type of updates?

 

[Redthorne]

I would not have problems if they increased the amount of cryo they give you both in Sirius and any other system, and of course the rewards in conquests whether CvC or OTB

Fully agree with CQ rewards needing to be buffed, especially on lower player count.
Sol/Draco cryo drops need to be buffed a lot too, currently Molikar still outperforms both which is stupid...

i also wouldnt really agree that the ancient tech HAS to be 2.1 times of whatever the number is of kenyte tech, there's no gold tech in sirius and there's no precedent to follow as its the only system without gold tech

this has been the ratio since years, i would argue that pricing for sirius is just arbitrary

It has been for years but it was always wrong.
I don't like that the price doubled from the current price, but it makes sense based on kenyte prices.

 

[ben1982]

no one forces you to use ancient tech, use kenyte
no one forces you to use gold tech in draconis either, sirius does not even have gold

its only natural for players who play a game to want to progress and make it to the end of the game?
If you hit a brick wall and cannot progress further, then that means thats the end of the gameplay experience?

You cannot even properly engage with endgame modes like conquest without first completing certain PvE milestones like getting r5 blueprints , some people might even argue that to truly engage the full scope of the game u must finish Erebos missions, get Asura and then get the upcoming skull items

If ur argument literally is "stop progressing" then my argument is "that sounds like ur telling new players to quit"

The idea of "no one force u to progress" is fundamentally wrong, if new system Lagrange came out tmr and it costs literally 100million for 1 item, no one is going to play in new system. What people are doing here is simply drawing the line between ACCEPTABLE cost inflation and UNACCEPTABLE cost inflation to decide what is FAIR for players still playing through the game, and it being sirius cost inflation is arguably more important than cost inflation anywhere else because sirius is the milestone for getting gear that is competitive in endgame modes like conquest and reactor which are both competitive environments that encourage having the best gear you afford.

 

[ben1982]

Fully agree with CQ rewards needing to be buffed, especially on lower player count.
Sol/Draco cryo drops need to be buffed a lot too, currently Molikar still outperforms both which is stupid...



It has been for years but it was always wrong.
I don't like that the price doubled from the current price, but it makes sense based on kenyte prices.

My point is "why do we consider this pricing wrong when this is the first time we have ever had a system that does not have have gold tech" i get that you can convert the ratio from blue to ancient from previous systems and apply it to sirius, but you can also just as arbitrarily decide that you don't need to care about doing that since theres no gold tech in that system. you dont have to follow the pre-established trend, if they were THAT strict on following the formula then you should add gold sirius tech as well. In the first place, everything about sirius progression was kind of arbitrary, Sirius Ancient tech used to be level 85 at one point while kenyte tech was level82 , ancients on r5 were level79 , ancient armor didnt even exist and stuff

What is going to happen next? Sirius Ancient tech needs to be decrypted before you can buy it too?
It actually may happen tbh, i mean if the devs are deciding to make sirius follow the formula from previous systems then it only makes sense for them to add sirius gold tech soon and then add decryption

 

[Redthorne]

I fumbled my last reply so I'll continue here:

It's true that the gap between Sol and Draconis is way bigger than it should be, especially when considering that cryonite grinding at levels 60-70 is not good at all. Add to that the fact that CQ/OTB is basically worthless before lvl 80 or so, and yeah Draco/Sirius become a cryo grinding wall in addition to all the other issues around Sirius.
I feel like Draconis ancient tech should be around 50k, and sirius 100k. Following this logic, entry TC tech is also overpriced.

Anyways thank y'all for using the HHG as reference, but all those price changes are gonna kill me

 

[ben1982]

I fumbled my last reply so I'll continue here:

It's true that the gap between Sol and Draconis is way bigger than it should be, especially when considering that cryonite grinding at levels 60-70 is not good at all. Add to that the fact that CQ/OTB is basically worthless before lvl 80 or so, and yeah Draco/Sirius become a cryo grinding wall in addition to all the other issues around Sirius.
I feel like Draconis ancient tech should be around 50k, and sirius 100k. Following this logic, entry TC tech is also overpriced.

Anyways thank y'all for using the HHG as reference, but all those price changes are gonna kill me

I think its important to remember that most of the outrage is happening because the change is sudden , out of nowhere, and practically without good reasoning as many of us have pointed out inconsistencies in the pricing ppl progress up the systems.
The big reason i think no one really was outraged when the released tc tech with symbolic costing almost 50% more than kenyte tech was cus we werent necessarily expecting anything cus we knew the costing can be from sol to drac or from draco to sirius and its not like we can argue without someone pointing out that splitscreen can do what they want with the cost, if anything i guess its good they didnt ramp up the costs from in TC since they buffed the cryonite that was dropping in r5 and in TC to double in 2020 to match

At the end of the day, as long as the progression feels fair thats all that matters, them changing the prices for sirius tech all of a sudden from nowhere with seemingly no substantiated reasoning simply does not occur to many of us as fair

 

[GOTIL0N]

no one forces you to use ancient tech, use kenyte
no one forces you to use gold tech in draconis either, sirius does not even have gold

Rlly? If you're going to give those answers, try to say something within reason. We're all here trying to discuss the topic seriously and trying to speak from reason, and you make that comment so out of place. I would appreciate it if you maintained seriousness within the thread if you're going to participate