Unbalance PM trophy ships vs normal ships

[Defcon]

Since we all agree that there is some code of conduct.
And most of us agree on not podding lower level players, or beter lower TECH pilots, because it is somehow not fair.

I have some questions then.

It seems no problem that Parsecs / Terrorizers > Trophy Ships. Go shoot normal draconis ships.
So i guess, the fact that they have this unfair advantage of more Armour, is not a problem.

Then the fact that those trophy ships also have 15% stronger equipement because they have the nice draconis blasters etc.

Well, i am surprised then that SS sells the nice boosters for fire power etc etc. But as soon as it gets to PVP the boosters don;t work. Only for player against mantis. However the THROPHY ship, comes with the right to infact make use of this 25% extra armour. yummie.

So strange that it is no problem for trophy ships with gold bp's to shoot normal ships with less armour and normal bp's.

But if u pay for a booster, it is rendered useless in PVP, because that would be 'UNFAIR'.

if i am correct, the happy few with endless time at their disposal, able to grind like forever and buy the 2.8 million ships, also get the right to use their 25% extra armour and 15 % extra defense and firepower on anywbody else.

Maybe u should put that in the Code of Conduct. 'Anybody that plays / pays enough to get a Parsec complete has the official right to shoot normal ships with normal bp's. We do not call that : 'harassement or unfair'. It just comes with the THROPHY-ship.

Now since dev's are perfectly able to prevent us doing missions in wrong tech. It will not be that hard to solve the tech level pvp problem.

gemini ships/ tech can only kill gemini ships/tech
mizar vs mizar
sol vs sol
and > .......

THROPHYSHIP VS THROPHY SHIP.

That will solve a lot of trouble between players.

No thanks for this brilliant idea that will get binned within 3 seconds probably. But i wanted to mention it anyway.

Bye

Defcon

 

[Shadow-Stryker]

I have something...Don't go red, simple as that. I don't even have a r50 ship so you can't say i have nothing to lose and also the r50 only have 20% more armor they dont get a firepower boost unless they have rare which really anyone can get. Also the TR ships only have a 10% boost. If people want to waste countless hours killing mantis to get a r50 then let them do it, i get more pleasure in poding those r50 knowing that that extra 20% they worked so hard to get is useless with a Drac pilot with skills.

 

[plop]

well saying dont go red should stand for all then, including the lower raked players in lower level ships should it not?. The rules of not killing players with lower tech/rank/level should stand for all or not at all. I think its time splitscreen stopped messing around with there already dead game steel legions and get back to moving this game forward, we have all waited long enough and give splitscreen more than enough time to make a new system and get it released, it starting to really feel like all splitscreen is made up of 2 or 3 16 year olds working from a bedroom somewhere, i really cant see why splitscreen would really want to run what was once such a really good game into the ground like they are doing, why not start selling ships and armor for gold this in no way gives an advantage to payers over none payers as in time with grinding none payers can still get the same items, this way spltscreen can start making more cash again and get more staff to get things moving faster

 

[borg117]

man if u try a bit harder u would see it's possible to kill parasec class ship with draco one, I'v been doing it so u can too, just think of it how first!!

 

[Defcon]

man if u try a bit harder u would see it's possible to kill parasec class ship with draco one, I'v been doing it so u can too, just think of it how first!!

Maybe then you could enlighten me in what ship? Let me guess, storm or tank. Well m8 try it in the recently adjusted Sniper. 3 to 4 hits from DDB and ur gone. I get shot, mostly jumped by the way, and before i even can react i am in pod. aim + rockets and ddb. Poof ur gone. They're not even bothering to use thermo blast.

Now i consider myself an average player.

But don;t have the time to get enough cryonite to keep buying different ships and keep trying what you suggested.

Up till mizar it was all pretty balanced and within reasonable time you could buy a second or third ship to try out. Well that fun part of this game is long gone. It's taking to long to get the cryonite together.

 

[Avenged]

Can i just add that a standard stun (not a terrorizer) won the Solaria Drac tournament. Only rares equipped were blaster, stun charge and speed act.

Any ship can beat a parsec, even a sniper with the new changes.

 

[WRAITH1]

valid point the poster makes if i understood corectly .
but i think theres a diference or maybe even a comunication/translation flaw between what is allowed by software and game makers and what sometimes GMs think we should play like ingame its bit confusing for myself sometimes.
easy examples their sometimes weird (to me at least) "interpretations" of fairness, the griefing clause and many other things like using mantis to defend urself , doing sms over ,etc....

as for non implementing a noob protection software side and having GMs enforce rules and even creating events i always thought since GMs r volunteers they cheaper than making software else i got no logical explanation for such.

 

[Primeus]

Your kidding me? You want to make that PArsec's only can fight Parsec's? I didn't grind 2.8 mil to grind a other 1mil to buy a normal ship because i like pvp? And the parsec doesn't have that big advantage on the rest of the ships me in my Parsec (few rare's) im podded allot Vs normal ships. My extra Armor isn't that much vs other ship so please do stop complaining about Parsec if they change that armor to normal armor or make it that parsec can only pvp parsec then I want a compleet refund of my Parsec...

 

[Defcon]

Well, did i say they have to change it? No i just pointed out the fact that there is an 'accepted' unbalance in this game.

Everybody who has time and stamina to grind together the Parsec or other Throphy ship, gaines extra armour.
Off course the Parsec owners will not complain. They all feel like they earned their advantage over others.

Well this seems to become a game that only 10% can enjoy to the fullest and the rest is server filling.
Not time enough to grind like forever? No? Then go find yourself another game.

Oh and off course : 'The winner of the tournament' , probaly top pilot. We all know and heard off some top pilot that defeats anybody in any tech.

i am just a normal pilot. like probably 90% of the guys. And normal pilot's in normal ships have a huge disadvantage against those trophy ships. But as i said we seem to accept that.

in my opinion the whole trophy class is a class on it's own. There is enough around. Shoot them not others.

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

The main reason why we grind those trophy ships is too get the extra armor. We spend lot of time on effort in it and we want something back, it is true that the parsec, dominators etc have advantage over the other ships but wether they can use this advantage or not , depend on the pilot skills. A skilled pilot can pod trophy ships even in the 'normal' ships.

So i don't see the point of this post. Sorry but i don't want to weaken my dominator jsut to have balanced armors etc to the 'normal' ships that you're talking about.

ps. it's true that it cost lot of time and effort to grind those ships and that not everyone got enough time to do so, but think it this way: if you don't have enough time for this game, don't grind a trophy ship since you won't use it so much as the others...

And stimo, if they ever weaken the parsec or dominator, i want to refund on my domi too ^^

 

[Defcon]

About the refunds... who gives me refund for my kartboard drac sniper that has been weakened again and again? Nobody.

Second. The real asset in this game is time.

And since this new looth system i see only one thing. Even with boosters and membership there is a bigger and bigger gap between people that have endless time and stamina to grind for the cry and rares, and people that don't have the time to get all this.

It is comming to a point that i have to admit that i will not be able to get the draconis rares, simply because i lack the time. Same for the throphy ships.

For doing missions. You need other players. Som eare just to hard to do alone.

I hear polayers that almost have all the rares and admit they got most before the new system was implmented. Now they hear us struggle to get things together and are not lookin forward to the nwew system. because having to go through the same struggle.

The whole thing is getting more and more out off balance.

And all you can think off is a refund?

Well obviously you agree with me then that the time u put in this game stands for something, that is why you wnat the refund.
Time is the real thing in this game, and the amount off time needed is too much.

You are simply emphasizeing my statement that the unbalnce in this game is getting bigger and bigger.



Greetz defcon

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

... hereby i apologize, i don't know that you got no sense of humor . i was joking to stimo, i mean, a refund? even a pilot in gemini know it's impossible.

and i really don't see why you wrote this post... you got time? you get parsec, you do'nt have time, 3 options:
1: grind slowly, you'll get it but slower
2: do'nt grind it, if you don't have much time to play? beter spend that precious tiem to have fun with friends.
3: Buy golds and support the gamemakers ^^

Regards
SetsunaFFSeiei

 

[InvisibleNinja]

To be honest, it sounds like a little girl whining because her bike isn't as fast as her older brother's. Never mind that he worked for that ship, and yet still all the little girl can see is that her bike looks smaller and smaller with every glance at his "trophy" bike.

So perhaps if you would spend less time pouting and whining about what will never be, you could be saving up for a trophy bike. Or you could do what others have been saying and just pedal really fast, because it IS possible to beat him.

P.S. If you have taken any offense with this, inbox me or just tell me here and I will be glad to smooth it out for you. What can I say?.. Things are either black or white to me, no gray areas. So it can seam offensive and I apologize.

 

[Defcon]

To be honest, it sounds like a little girl whining because her bike isn't as fast as her older brother's. Never mind that he worked for that ship, and yet still all the little girl can see is that her bike looks smaller and smaller with every glance at his "trophy" bike.

So perhaps if you would spend less time pouting and whining about what will never be, you could be saving up for a trophy bike. Or you could do what others have been saying and just pedal really fast, because it IS possible to beat him.

P.S. If you have taken any offense with this, inbox me or just tell me here and I will be glad to smooth it out for you. What can I say?.. Things are either black or white to me, no gray areas. So it can seam offensive and I apologize.

I figure ur not old enough to see that things are not black and white, they are all grey, in different shades.
I do not feel offended by you. How could I.

Nice metafore about the bike. I build mine myself, there is none like it anywhere. So it does appeal to me.

And for the throphy ship, i could buy the thing right now, but i don't.

I stick to the game being unbalanced in many ways, this is just one example. And well, as i said, most agree with that. So lets call it grinding galaxy en stay out off PM.

Thx for enlightning me.

greetz defcon

 

[InvisibleNinja]

The world is only grey where you mix black with white or white with black. There is Good and there is Evil, there is no 3rd party. The world tries to balance itself on making everything grey enough that people think it's not good or evil. But the fact is that if you take the time to step back, hold very still and just think.. You can see where is black and where is white.

I like that you don't buy one because you want a balance in the game, but the reality is.. You, and they, worked hard for it. You deserve it, unlike people like me who are to lazy to do so. There is a reason these ships are 20% better than the 70's.. It's because of the road to get there is a road that only a few will ever make. The rest fall by the wayside complaining that their to expensive.

 

[Primeus]

So... I gone over everything again so what you want to say is:

The Lvl 50 ships (parsec's) need to be changed to lvl 70 armor because you don't have time to grind for 1? And a refund for your sniper? lvl 70 ships aren't that expensive so you can easily change to a storm, tank, ect. But to say that the lvl 50 ships need to change because some ppl don't have time and or money to spend to grind for 1 is just sick. You want to ruine it for every parsec pilot, Me and every other parsec pilot grinded 2.8 mil for a ship and then to see it changed to armor status from a lvl 70 ship is just not normal...

 

[Whatever]

R50 ships (prototypes, parsecs) call em whatever you like are not gods of pvp. indeed you have a bit more armor but that means little in pvp - timing is more important. dont time your items right you'll pod even in parsec class. gravitons will go a long way in pvp/on CQs so myth about R50 ships as uber ships is only a myth.

now about fairness - PVP (player vs. player) is a combat mode, once you're red you've taken the risk of being shot down by pilots who have better ships (among them parsecs if you like). pirate mode is an option, no one is forcing you to fly red but at the same time one does not have the right to complain about being shot by another player who is better equipped. do you have terms such as "fair fight" in real life warfare? ofcourse not, armies use their best stuff cause it gives you the upper hand. they paid for it, they use it. simple.

so:
red is dead - the only beautiful, simple and fair rule about pirate mode
(if you will complain about unfair fights then dont fly red)
PM for xp - nonsense (shoot em all)
PM for achievements (same thing - kill)
PM dont kill me i'm on a mission (ye ye eat blaster fire!)
red draconis ship killing red vega pilots (he aint breaking COC therefore he has right to do it - now it all comes down to a person, whether someone is ashamed to do such a thing or thinks such action is not honorable or he's one who takes pleasure in seeing someone being frustrated - no matter. bottom line is they are not breaking game rules i.e. COC)
ganging - allowed!

remember: everything is allowed in love and war (same applies to PM)

 

[Defcon]

So majority agrees :

In reward for the long grinding Trophy ship pilots have an advantage over players that don't have the Throphy ship.

When you are a good pilot, it's no problem to pod a Throphy ship.

It is not forbidden to shoot lower tech when in PM.

Players should not whine when shot in PM, just grind and move on till they get higher tech and/or Throphy ship.

That sounds fine.

Thx for your opinion.

Greetz Defcon

 

[Ventnor]

Trust me when i say the Trphy ship has its own downsides ie:Grind Grind Grind, pll asking for help cuase u have one of these overpriced ships , and stupidly priced armour upgrades in next system.

I like my trophy ship but it has come at a price

 

[SetsunaFFSeiei]

Trust me when i say the Trphy ship has its own downsides ie:Grind Grind Grind, pll asking for help cuase u have one of these overpriced ships , and stupidly priced armour upgrades in next system.

I like my trophy ship but it has come at a price

100% agree